I am new here but I belong on a few other groupe/chats and so on and the people here are most helpful and as of yet I have not really ran into any better than you types,it does not appear to matterif you have one machine or two dozen, if your machine is on a card table in the junk room or or a super fancy game room with chrome and neon all around. I have got a lot of info by reading old post, and hope onday to be able to offer some good advice to others. Thanks again for all your help and maybe some day soon we can all get together and do some 12 ounce curls and again