Any one see this? Pachislo's? Vegas Machines?

[Stealth]

http://www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pb.../50809001/1002

Wonder what he was selling?

[pachitom]

Wow..

Louisiana law describes an gambling device as any slot machine or any machine with a cash payout device or releases free plays on the machine. These machines are illegal when not inspected and certified by the State’s Gaming Agency, Williams said. The sale and later possession of those devices is just as illegal.

Just wonder if this applies to Pachislo's....

[slotter]

Save a trip over there... here's the article pasted in. Looks to me like they are going to throw the book at this guy.

An investigation stemming from October 2004 led to the arrest of an Indiana man who was selling illegal slot machines over eBay to people in 10 parishes.

Indiana State Police arrested Michael Kimberling, 45, of Hymera, Ind., on a Louisiana warrant on March 29. Kimberling was running a company called Valley Sales and illegally distributing gaming machines into St. Martin, Lafayette, Vermilion, Lafourche, Rapides, St. Tammany, Natchitoches, Ouichita, East Baton Rouge and Jefferson Parishes. Each parish had a warrant out for his arrest for at least one count of illegal distribution of gambling devices, according to Trooper Willie Williams, spokesman for the state police.

State troopers had to get a Governor’s warrant for Kimberling after he refused extradition to Louisiana.

Louisiana law describes an gambling device as any slot machine or any machine with a cash payout device or releases free plays on the machine. These machines are illegal when not inspected and certified by the State’s Gaming Agency, Williams said. The sale and later possession of those devices is just as illegal.

“If you can go onto eBay and buy one of these things, guess what? That’s illegal,” he said.

However, there is nothing under Indiana’s law prohibiting the manufacture, distribution, possession or sale of such devices.Williams was unaware of how many illegal machines were sold to Louisiana residents and businesses, nor if any arrests were made on those purchasers for possession of the illegal gaming machine. Many of the people voluntarily gave up the machine after learning it was illegal, he said.

Kimberling will be transported to each of the 10 parishes for booking and processing on the warrants. Should he post bond in each Parish he will be released to return to Indiana.

The maximum penalty for distribution or possession of an illegal gambling device is 10 years with or without hard labor or a $10,000 fine or both. With at least one count in each parish, Kimberling could be facing as much as 100 years in jail and as much as $100,000 in fines.

Originally published August 9, 2005

[azlew]

Wow..

Louisiana law describes an gambling device as any slot machine or any machine with a cash payout device or releases free plays on the machine. These machines are illegal when not inspected and certified by the State’s Gaming Agency, Williams said. The sale and later possession of those devices is just as illegal.

Just wonder if this applies to Pachislo's....

Yepper the " releases free plays on the machine " part is what makes the Pachislo seller in trouble.

I imagine more idiotic arrests are forthcoming. Looks like some sellers life savings are about to help take care of a few state's budgets.

[luckydog]

I though the seller was covered if he had a disclaimer stating that it is the buyers responsibilty to check if they are legal in their state.

It seems pretty harsh punishment for a guy just trying to make a living.

O. J. --- M. J. and others just get off or a slap on the wrist.

[Tulsa]

Louisiana law describes an gambling device as any slot machine or any machine with a cash payout device or releases free plays on the machine.

I sure wouldn't sell a pinball machine there either as it releases free plays on the machine.

[Stealth]

True, but it doesn't look and feel like a slot machine....who knows....

I'm not sure if this person was selling pachi's or the converted Vegas machines to free play only. There was someone in the that area selling Vegas machines converted to only free play as legal in all 50 states...I'm thinking that may be the case here.

[ocpachinko]

After all, look at the results they get with police management that focuses substantial resources on pachislo sellers to individuals! http://www.morganquitno.com/dang05.htm

How many law enforcement person-days were spent on this? How many people committing violent crime could have been brought to justice with those person-days? Is Harrah's experiencing a revenue shortfall they attribute to rogue pachislo owners? If anyone owns a PC in those parishes are they going to seize them too (I hear they can all run gaming programs)? Do they bust people playing poker in their houses? Are they pissed because Indiana college teams have occasionally won championships? What's next?

[slotter]

Ocpachinko, Thanks for posting the rankings of safest vs. dangerous states. Very interesting!

[Tulsa]

I'm sure that quote is also paraphrasing the actual law as written as well. Here in Oklahoma it's not good enough to call it a slot machine, the law breaks down what is a slot machine and it must meet 5 criteria. Pachislo's meet the first four dead on, but the last critera is "A Thing Of Value".

Title 21 O.S. 964 (1971), defines a "slot machine" as: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

"First: Any machine, instrument, mechanism or device that operates or may be operated or played mechanically, electrically, automatically or manually, and which can be played or operated by any person by inserting in any manner into said machine, instrument, mechanism or device, a coin, chip, token, check, credit, money, representative of value, or a thing of value, or by which play or operation such person will stand to win or lose, whether by skill or chance, or by both, a thing of value; and "Second: Any machine, instrument, mechanism or device that operates or may be played or operated mechanically, electrically, automatically, or manually, and which can be played or operated by any person by paying to or depositing with any person, or by depositing with or in any cache, receptacle, slot, or place a coin, chip, token, check, credit, money, representative of value, or a thing of value, and by which play or operation such person will stand to win or lose, whether by skill or chance, or by both, a thing of value." <o></o>

<o> </o>



In Prickett v. State, 88 Okl.Cr. 213, 200 P.2d 457, 458 (1948), the Court of Criminal Appeals of Oklahoma delineated the above statute's definition of the term "slot machine" into five separate elements. The Court concluded that each element must be satisfied before a mechanical device may be considered a slot machine within the meaning of 21 O.S. 1941, 964, supra (now codified as 21 O.S. 964 (1971)). There must be a showing that the mechanical device is:<o></o>
<o> </o>

First, a machine, instrument, mechanism or device that operates or may be operated or played mechanically, electrically, automatically or manually;<o></o>

<o> </o>

second, which can be played or operated by any person by inserting in any manner into said machine, instrument, mechanism or device a coin, chip, token, check, credit, money, representative of value or thing of value;<o></o>

<o> </o>

third, by which play or operation such person shall stand to win or lose;<o></o>

<o> </o>

fourth, whether by skill or chance, or both;<o></o>

<o> </o>

fifth, a thing of value.<o></o>

<o> </o>

The name given to a machine is not conclusive for the purpose of determining whether the machine comes within the statutory meaning of a "slot machine." Rather, the classification of a machine as a slot machine is dependent upon the manner and result of its operation. Antrim v. State, 92 Okl.Cr. 91, 220 P.2d 846 (1950).

Now we have to go on to further define what is a "Thing Of Value".


ｧ21-965.

For the purposes of this act, "a thing of value" is defined to be any
money, coin, currency, check, chip, token, credit, property, tangible
or intangible, or any representative of value or any other thing,
tangible or intangible, except amusement or entertainment, calculated
or intended to serve as an inducement for anyone to operate or play
any slot machine or punch board.


That exception is what makes them legal in Oklahoma.





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[arbycoffee]

Had the wife call and their public information officer will call back. they would not say if they were American or Japanese slots.

[slotter]

Here is the Louisiana State Police official release and a picture of Michael Kimberling, the individual charged:

http://www.dps.state.la.us/lspnewsr....a?OpenDocument

[arbycoffee]

The Information Officer Said They Were American Made Slot Machines Not Japanese

[Stealth]

This proves again, that this is the BEST location for information on anything going on in our industry! My THANKS to everyone! By the way, how could the guy be so stupid????

[Firewire]

Thanks for the research!

[logicprobe]

From that press release, it looks more like a Video Poker machine bust.

Well, if being stupid was a crime... I know a lot of people that would be serving life sentences with no chance for parole! :lmao:

[azlew]

......
It seems pretty harsh punishment for a guy just trying to make a living.

O. J. --- M. J. and others just get off or a slap on the wrist.

You crack me up Lucky

There are quite a few people in our Tent City jail here in Phoenix that were just trying to make a living also

[Tulsa]

The Information Officer Said They Were American Made Slot Machines Not Japanese

Now you have to ask yourself the question, would they know the difference if it was an English version? They could also have been some cheap knock-offs with the Japanese labels removed from the belly.

[arbycoffee]

Yes, this man she was talking to knew the difference, He knew what a skill stop slot and understood the metals used. the joy stick.
I had her use them terms.

[doodude]

Im originally from Caddo Parish, myself.
Born, breaded & sauteed!
Being from the CoonAss state & growing up with the likes of the Great Gov. Edwin ( Fast Eddie ) Edwards, it seems to me this is the real issue!

"These machines are illegal when not inspected and certified by the State’s Gaming Agency, Williams said."

In other words, "wheres my cut, dude!"