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    Question Long Time Lurker, First Time Pachinko Owner Puyo Puyo

    I have been watching the forums for a bit and just pulled the trigger on a Puyo Puyo (CRぷよぷよ CA 1/159.8) pachinko machine as the price was right and this is a franchise I'm interested in (though more from the Compile days, before Sega/Sammy).

    Now here I am with it on the way and trying to figure out what I need to prep for.

    I wanted to ask the community what I may need to actually play at home.

    I know some basics such as balls and a 24v transformer, maybe a CRE (and optionally a ball return and volume mod).

    The main things I'm looking for are:
    1. What size transformer? Any specific models recommended from the community?
    2. What size balls? I see different sizes for sale here and there, just want to get the right ones.
    3. Do I need a CRE or other similar device? Any specific recommended?
    4. Which volume mod would work without irreversible changes? (i.e. "no-cut" if possible)
    5. What else might I need?
    6. Anyone know of any service manuals for these models?

    For context, I prefer no-cut mods so anything I need to get it up and running without any irreversible changes would be preferred, if at all possible.

    ??? Anything else useful as a first time owner? I would especially like to hear more about this model as I haven't found much from anyone who owns this specific model.

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    Default Re: Long Time Lurker, First Time Pachinko Owner Puyo Puyo

    Welcome. That's a machine I have been looking at as well (too many shiny things exist for me to get everything I want), so congrats on getting a really nice machine.

    1. I have gotten transformers from Taiwan (worked great, super easy installation but expensive (especially once you add shipping)), the US through Digikey (paid about $40 for one but it's a little overpowered. It was all I could find that was in stock though so it was a good choice. Did a quick glance today but couldn't find a good fit that was in stock and not super expensive), and through Yahoo Auctions as an option when buying a machine (really cheap, pre-installed or super easy to install. No idea how much it impacts shipping cost though, but at 2700 yen for a transformer it's a steal). I've gone with 300+VA (120V->24V AC), which seems to be too much. But then again, the transformer that was included with a machine from YA is 360VA (15A), so what do I know.
    2. 11mm. Go with genuine pachinko balls and do not just buy random ball bearings on Amazon.
    3. Most of the time when you buy a machine it will come with a cheap CR adapter. If not you will have to make one or buy one. The Daverob dongle is highly recommended, but was out of stock last I checked (a few weeks ago) but he said he was working on building more.
    4. Some machines have good volume controls already so check those first (often a rotating switch in the back with four settings for volume, sometimes a setting requiring the settings key during reset). If you need physical volume controls: Lpads are the best, potmeters (1k, with a 10ohm resister in series) also works. You will have to cut the wires to the speakers for this and put them in series. Some sellers on YA already do this or have it as a pretty cheap option to do it for you. I highly recommend having the seller do it as it's not always easy to find the correct wires on some machines. If you want a no cut mod, you will need to find the connector(s) the speakers connect to, obtain the same connector both male and female, and build your own adapter to sit between them. Way too much effort as everyone else just cuts the wires.
    5. I recommend trays to catch the balls in to catch them in the back. Other options are a ball lifter to recycle the balls back up to the payout tray, a platform to keep the machine stabilized and to prevent it from tipping over or a cabinet that makes whatever setup you prefer convenient. Some people prefer a cabinet that catches the balls and drops them out in front or in a drawer at the bottom, or build them with a huge hopper, or make them so that they can hang the machine from the wall... Whatever you want is possible. Personally I went with very basic cabinets that use a ball lifter to dump into a hopper on top that is sized to mount a data counter on. And then a lid on top to keep most of the dust out of the hopper while keeping easy access. Sometimes I wish I had gone for something nicer or fancier, but as it is I enjoy the look and the ability to easily move machines around.
    6. There are some installation manuals floating around on Yahoo auctions, but chances of finding it for the machine you want are close to zero. I haven't bought any so I have no idea if they would actually be helpful.

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    Default Re: Long Time Lurker, First Time Pachinko Owner Puyo Puyo

    Any reputable vendor will sell you a proper transformer for the US; Iíd buy one from the vendor so you know itís the right one the first time.

    As for volume controls; not needed on 95% of newer machines since thereís already 2 different volume controls installed from the factory on most; the master control volume settings (knob or switch on the back) and the buttons on the front that allow players to control the volume level via a menu screen. Most new machines can be set anywhere from silent to deafening volume levels.

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    Default Re: Long Time Lurker, First Time Pachinko Owner Puyo Puyo

    Appreciate the feedback from the experts and the detail was really helpful. While I would have preferred a complete package with everything already there for my first pachinko; for less than $300 shipped, I don't mind doing a little extra legwork.


    1. Transformer: Still on the lookout for a transformer, but may try YA as I order from there frequently anyways. Nothing in my cart currently - so I wouldn't mind grabbing something stateside to expedite shipping time and prevent me from making poor decisions (i.e. ordering more stuff just because I already have something), even if it does cost a bit extra. Preferring something with an outlet to avoid removing the cord, though this seems nearly impossible to find.

    2. Balls: I was also able to order 11mm pachinko balls (not bearings); I'm sure I'll need more for regular use, but only grabbed 500 to see the quality before ordering more.

    3. CRE Dongle: Good news is I was able to purchase a Daverob CRE v3 dongle from Modern Pachinko as they had some available. Price was pennies more than directly from Daverob (after shipping) so not a big deal (~$49.82 w/ shipping + conversion vs $49.99)

    4. Volume Control: As it sounds like it may already have this capability, I'll see what it has and go from there. If what ever it may have doesn't work out, I have a number of connectors and pots that may work or I can always grab some from DigiKey or Mouser - super quick shipping down in TX.

    5. Other Stuff: I have a tray to use and am trying to figure out the plan for mounting for the long term. I like the wall mount option, but they aren't exactly light and would stick out a bit - running out of wall space between the PC10, NNC, and other toys. Similar space constraints for a free standing floor unit. I do think I want to data counter at some point and fortunately, was able to find wiring diagrams for that for at least one manufacturer.

    6. Manuals: I dug around on YA and Mercari and didn't see one for mine that I could identify yet. While I don't expect to hear much back, I also reached out to Sammy to see if they could provide any information. Will keep folks posted if I have any luck on that front. I order a lot of stuff from Japan - anyone on here ever tried doing group buys to scan/preserve the manuals? I do similar for other media when I run across it.


    Appreciate any other info the folks here have to provide and wouldn't mind hearing from any other owners of the same machine, as I don't see much about this one on here.

    Will definitely post photos when it arrives and (hopefully) have it up and running.

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    Default Re: Long Time Lurker, First Time Pachinko Owner Puyo Puyo

    On YA it's often a bunch of transformers grouped together. If you want one with connectors/socket, getting one from JT-Comatz is going to be fast and easy (not cheap, mind you). I know the two transformers I have from them both were plug and play, but you can check with them before you buy (contact one of their reps on Facebook). DigiKey or Mouser can get you a transformer, but you'll have to solder it in place (that said, take apart the cheapest 2-pin extension cord you can find and solder both ends to the transformer and you will have your own plug and play one without cutting the cable of the pachinko machine).

    As far as group buys go, there's a group in North Carolina that does group buys through JT-Comatz. As far as group buys through YA goes, the extra shipping cost within the US for me is likely not worth the savings in combining shipping to you. But for others who may be near you or only buy something rarely it would be a good option.

    Enjoy your machine!

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    Default Re: Long Time Lurker, First Time Pachinko Owner Puyo Puyo

    Quote Originally Posted by Repute View Post
    Appreciate the feedback from the experts and the detail was really helpful. While I would have preferred a complete package with everything already there for my first pachinko; for less than $300 shipped, I don't mind doing a little extra legwork.


    1. Transformer: Still on the lookout for a transformer, but may try YA as I order from there frequently anyways. Nothing in my cart currently - so I wouldn't mind grabbing something stateside to expedite shipping time and prevent me from making poor decisions (i.e. ordering more stuff just because I already have something), even if it does cost a bit extra. Preferring something with an outlet to avoid removing the cord, though this seems nearly impossible to find.

    2. Balls: I was also able to order 11mm pachinko balls (not bearings); I'm sure I'll need more for regular use, but only grabbed 500 to see the quality before ordering more.

    3. CRE Dongle: Good news is I was able to purchase a Daverob CRE v3 dongle from Modern Pachinko as they had some available. Price was pennies more than directly from Daverob (after shipping) so not a big deal (~$49.82 w/ shipping + conversion vs $49.99)

    4. Volume Control: As it sounds like it may already have this capability, I'll see what it has and go from there. If what ever it may have doesn't work out, I have a number of connectors and pots that may work or I can always grab some from DigiKey or Mouser - super quick shipping down in TX.

    5. Other Stuff: I have a tray to use and am trying to figure out the plan for mounting for the long term. I like the wall mount option, but they aren't exactly light and would stick out a bit - running out of wall space between the PC10, NNC, and other toys. Similar space constraints for a free standing floor unit. I do think I want to data counter at some point and fortunately, was able to find wiring diagrams for that for at least one manufacturer.

    6. Manuals: I dug around on YA and Mercari and didn't see one for mine that I could identify yet. While I don't expect to hear much back, I also reached out to Sammy to see if they could provide any information. Will keep folks posted if I have any luck on that front. I order a lot of stuff from Japan - anyone on here ever tried doing group buys to scan/preserve the manuals? I do similar for other media when I run across it.


    Appreciate any other info the folks here have to provide and wouldn't mind hearing from any other owners of the same machine, as I don't see much about this one on here.

    Will definitely post photos when it arrives and (hopefully) have it up and running.
    Which vendor is selling newer machines shipped for less than $300?! Thatís 2000ís era pricing

    Normally shipping alone is $300+ not to mention the cost of the machine itself and a transformer.

    If it sounds too good to be trueÖ

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    Default Re: Long Time Lurker, First Time Pachinko Owner Puyo Puyo

    Hopefully it’s the whole machine and not just the cell at that price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoombolle View Post
    As far as group buys go, there's a group in North Carolina that does group buys through JT-Comatz. As far as group buys through YA goes, the extra shipping cost within the US for me is likely not worth the savings in combining shipping to you. But for others who may be near you or only buy something rarely it would be a good option.
    I was referring more to group buys of bulk numbers of manuals to be scanned and preserved for the community; I think the machine group buys are probably better left to the professionals who already have a good setup and track record on their end. Would be great to get service manuals and the like out there to help the community and get more knowledge out there to keep the machines up and running.


    Quote Originally Posted by lotsoballs View Post
    Which vendor is selling newer machines shipped for less than $300?! That’s 2000’s era pricing

    Normally shipping alone is $300+ not to mention the cost of the machine itself and a transformer.

    If it sounds too good to be true…

    Quote Originally Posted by Atoombolle View Post
    Hopefully it’s the whole machine and not just the cell at that price.

    I am also slightly concerned on both counts and I know it's a risk - but it if pays off then it would be an amazing deal. The photos appear to show it it at least semi-functional (lit up, displaying a score) and the seller specifically mentioned some of the major functionality was good (e.g. number display, launch, prize ball, sound, volume adjustment, lights).

    It is sold with the door key, shipping size is about 36in x 18in x 24in, and shipping weight is 82lbs so I think it should be the full machine.

    While it still makes little sense pricing wise, it was about $300 for the cost of the machine and shipping from JP to US.

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    Default Re: Long Time Lurker, First Time Pachinko Owner Puyo Puyo

    Quote Originally Posted by Repute View Post
    I was referring more to group buys of bulk numbers of manuals to be scanned and preserved for the community; I think the machine group buys are probably better left to the professionals who already have a good setup and track record on their end. Would be great to get service manuals and the like out there to help the community and get more knowledge out there to keep the machines up and running.








    I am also slightly concerned on both counts and I know it's a risk - but it if pays off then it would be an amazing deal. The photos appear to show it it at least semi-functional (lit up, displaying a score) and the seller specifically mentioned some of the major functionality was good (e.g. number display, launch, prize ball, sound, volume adjustment, lights).

    It is sold with the door key, shipping size is about 36in x 18in x 24in, and shipping weight is 82lbs so I think it should be the full machine.

    While it still makes little sense pricing wise, it was about $300 for the cost of the machine and shipping from JP to US.
    I see, JT Comatz; Iíve bought over a dozen machines from them on the group shipments over the years; itís going to cost more than $100 total shipping however I can assure you of that!

    Thereís 2 shipping charges; the charge of shipping from Taiwan to the port at NYC. (The charge you paid already. )

    The 2nd charge is the cost of to have the pallets of machines loaded onto a truck from the NYC port and trucked down to the Charleston SC port; from there Randy has to drive his own pickup truck with a trailer to load up all the machines; so for this leg of the journey you are paying for the cost to get all the machines from NYC to the Lincolnton NC area. You wonít find out that charge till Randy calculates it; likely $100 or so extra per machine.

    I assume you are picking up the machine directly from Randy in NC; if not a you need domestic shipping to your house from Lincolnton NC, thatís yet another costly shipping fee (over $100) shipping fees add up quite quicklyÖ

    The cheapest machine I bought from JT Comatz recently cost a bit over $400; $199 for the machine itself, another $200+ just to get it shipped to NC.

    They are a trustworthy vendor; the best!

    As for the transformer; you probably should have bought one from them; much easier and itís plug and play; 8amp and very heavy; I seriously doubt youíll save more than $20 tops by the time shipping costs are calculated by trying to buy the cheapest possible transformer; others have made this same mistake and ended up breaking down and buying a JT Comatz transformer after discovering a 24v doorbell transformer bought off Amazon was woefully underpowered for pachinko purposes. Good luck with the transformer search!

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    Default Re: Long Time Lurker, First Time Pachinko Owner Puyo Puyo

    In case you're interested, the poster of this machine just showed up on YA: https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp...on/k1133157046

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoombolle View Post
    In case you're interested, the poster of this machine just showed up on YA: https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp...on/k1133157046
    I didn't pick up a poster (yet?), but I did pick up the pamphlet they handed out at the time showing the typical features, odds, gameplay, etc.


    And for the latest updates...

    I want to thank you all again for your help and advice. I was able to get everything here and play a bit when the transformer arrived today.

    CRぷよぷよ machine: Arrived safely on 2024-04-29 and appears to be working well which I wasn't able to confirm until transformers arrived today. One of the plastic doors on the back fell off during shipping, but popped right back in with no cracks or issues. Needs a little cleaning, but in good shape overall and haven't noticed any damage or things not working as expected so far.

    Transformers: I got 2 second hand transformers directly from Japan which arrived today. Decent price while ordering other things and they both are working fine as of writing.

    Balls: Not much to say here, the 500 I got to try out work as expected. Will likely look to get more in the near term.

    CRE: As everyone I've seen has said, Dave's works well as expected.


    Total Price: I know the price was something that came up a couple times as a possible scam or otherwise shady. The machine itself (+shipping) did come up to a bit more than $300 from my original post and of course I did have to purchase the other bits separately which adds up.

    Others have mentioned similar or better bargains for their hauls, but this one seems to be a bit more expensive most places I've seen it with some in the $1k+ range after shipping. With its age and maybe it just being an odd one, I don't see it pop up much in the usual places much, especially as low as I paid for it.

    I could remove 1 of the transformers to consider it a bit cheaper and could have gotten cheaper balls or a CRE, but I think I did alright for my first machine. Let me know your thoughts.

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    ** Transformers intl shipping estimated at 1/4 total shipping for package (each), as I bought other items that accounted for most of the volume



    What's next?

    Volume: It is controllable by the player (along with brightness), however it's still really loud on the lowest volume. I even found adjustments on the back, though they don't seem to do anything. There's a low-med-high switch and a pot with an arrow that says "Up" - neither specifically labeled for volume or anything else - that appear to do nothing. Unless I find out more, I'm probably going to wire in a pot (non-destructively, ofc). Anyone have any insight into this?

    Stand/Cabinet: I've been looking into this the month or so since I decided I'm getting one. I'd like wall mount, but not sure that's a good route as of now. Debating on a decent base, but at the price, I may prefer a cabinet for a bit more. TBD on this front.

    Data Counter: Definitely not educated enough on these at the moment to get much use out of it, but seems like it would be nice to learn and do the whole setup. If one comes along that looks good at a decent price and I'm already ordering stuff from Japan, I may snag one.

    Ball Lift/Hopper/Recycler: I'd like to get one, but prices appear to be on the steep side with most being 50%+ of everything so far. I can be lazy, but not sure I want to toss that much towards one just yet for my first machine. Anyone have any good suggestions for something automatic on this front that isn't as expensive as most out there?



    And for a quick photo of the new toy...

    cr_puyopuyo.jpg

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    Default Re: Long Time Lurker, First Time Pachinko Owner Puyo Puyo

    Nice prices. Glad everything worked out for you. I build my own cabinets and paint them garish colors, but it gives my setup a nice uniformity that way. I also have ball lifters for my machines and data counters. They're not that useful for pachinko, but still nice to have and to cover the hopper area of the cabinet .

    Without a ball lifter you're going to want more balls. Probably around 2000 per machine is what I usually account for.

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    Run for your lives !!! The machine has balls with Eyes !

    When things don't go right the 1st time , Step back ,Take a break and come back renewed. RGS

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    Quote Originally Posted by takethecastle57 View Post
    Run for your lives !!! The machine has balls with Eyes !


    Legend has it... if 4 of the same color align, it disappears!

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    Default Re: Long Time Lurker, First Time Pachinko Owner Puyo Puyo

    I did just happen to run across a JP cab from a parlor locally that I picked up and put it in tonight, but thought I'd see what folks over here think as you've been along for the fun so far.

    cr_puyo_puyo_cab_panel.jpgcr_puyo_puyo_cab.jpg

    (Going to post this specifically over in the cab section to get more info, as I have plenty to figure out about it.)

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    Need a stack of •100 coins


    Says the guy in the UK with a •1000 note machine for pachi tokens
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenclam View Post
    Need a stack of •100 coins


    Says the guy in the UK with a •1000 note machine for pachi tokens
    I have a bunch of SEGA tokens that I got shortly before most of them shut down or changed names. I adjusted the •100 in my New Net City to take tokens around that time. I suspect this one shouldn't be too difficult.

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