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    I'm trying to get my neighbor's pachinko working again. I cleared all the ball jambs and I think that part is now working.
    I can't get the ball shooter to work though. I checked and 110v is getting down to the shooter plug. I also checked a small micro switch next to the shooter that I think is the power switch for the shooter and it appears to be working properly. So now I'm wondering if the shooter itself has gone bad. Sorry for the basic questions, electronics is NOT my strong point. What is that silver cylindrical thing next to the shooter motor? Is there a way to test the cylindrical thing and shooter motor? Also, does anyone know what that red box thing is? That blue/black wire is attached to a side screw but the other end isn't connected to anything. Does anyone else have a Turning Point machine?

    Thanks for the help. All of my pachinkos are single shots. This thing is making my head hurt.

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    Well. Not an expert and never had a Kyoraku in this frame. But it's a 24vac machine. So I would be very worried if you have 110vac at the motor.
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    Thanks Drunkenclam for the concern. All pachinkos I've worked on were either zero, 12v or 24v, so I was very concerned about plugging this thing in to 110v. The power goes through a transformer and most of the machine is low voltage, however, the shooter is rated for 100v 50/60 cycle. Besides, nothing smoked when I plugged it in.

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    Did the machine not have a transformer installed for home use? I’d disconnect that 110v ASAP before you start a fire!

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    Thanks for the comments Drunkenclam and lotsoballs. I was concerned about the max voltage also. This machine does have a transformer. 24v goes to most of the machine and 110v goes to the shooter. The shooter has a sticker that says 100v 50/60 cycles, you can't see it clearly in my pictures.

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    This Kyoraku recently sold on the auctions in Japan. It is similar to yours. Includes the silver cylinder although located on the other side.

    https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/s812415872

    I can only guess. It's a high voltage capacitor. We used them on our older mains voltage motors at work, although beware our ones are rated at twice uk mains voltage (400v) so if yours still has some juice in it. It may be unpleasant for you. As it may be 200-400v if its faulty. It may prent the motor from running correctly.

    There are plenty of instructions on the web on how to test a capacitor. Which you have to take out of circuit. Although I have never done it myself.
    But if you can find a guide to suit what equipment you have a available. Just remember. They can store high amounts of energy and release it all at once. It's the basic principle of a camera flash.
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    Do you have a photo of the front of the machine so I can see which model? I have a few Kyoraku early modern machines so may be able to provide some support.

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    Guys, thank you very much for the support. I kinda thought it was a capacitor. I've never messed with one. I'll have to do some research before working on it. Perhaps I can find someone locally the knows how to test them. I'm thinking it's my problem and why the motor isn't working. Here are front and back photos Spyder138.

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    Here's close ups of the motor and capacitor info.
    Also, what the heck is this red thing? Only one wire was connected to anything, as you can see. I'm thinking it was an add on. Want to make sure before I throw it away.

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    Drunkenclam, thanks for the auction link. Wow, I'm blown away at the "Buy it Now" price of a little over $800 and the current bid was around $650. Assuming I was reading that right.
    What is it about this machine that would bring this kind of price?

    Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick37160 View Post
    Here's close ups of the motor and capacitor info.
    Also, what the heck is this red thing? Only one wire was connected to anything, as you can see. I'm thinking it was an add on. Want to make sure before I throw it away.
    Don't throw it away. I do not have that exact machine, but I do have one from the same year. I think it is currently accessible so I can try to get to it tomorrow and take a look. It looks like you have a couple of connectors that are not connected to anything. Does it look like they may supposed to be connected to each other? It looks like one of the disconnected connectors goes to the shooter. Could be your problem.

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    I found my ベルーガ today. It has the same part you called out. It also has the connectors that aren’t connected. Will try to post some photos later tonight from my computer. I need to transfer them from my phone and resize on the computer before I can post on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick37160 View Post
    Drunkenclam, thanks for the auction link. Wow, I'm blown away at the "Buy it Now" price of a little over $800 and the current bid was around $650. Assuming I was reading that right.
    What is it about this machine that would bring this kind of price?
    Japan is going crazy over these early modern machines for the last year or so. The prices have gone through the roof. You would get no where near that much selling in the US.

    Have you been able to get your machine working? In the photo it looks like you don't have many balls loaded. The shooter won't work if the balls are low.

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    I still haven't been able to get the shooter working on this machine. At first, I thought it had to be the capacitor had gone bad. I found and installed an equivalent size capacitor but that didn’t work. I double checked and know that 110v power is getting to it. There is a “normally open” switch I checked and it is working correctly. I started looking at the motor itself. I notice that the arm that rotates when the motor is running seems to be frozen. I can’t rotate it at all by hand. So now, I’m wondering if the motor has gone bad. Does anyone have one of these motors available for sale?

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    I was wondering if it's possible to check the motor, by wiring direct to voltage. But I would advise caution. For safety for yourself and other machine components. So maybe remove the motor from the machine and test it on a bench. Or take it to a specialist (at a cost)
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    I'm pleased to report that I got the ball shooter working. The motor was seized up. I started taking the motor apart. The square section of the motor was a gear box to reduce the RPMs and appeared to be working fine. I noticed the motor shaft would not turn at all. I was able to remove two other screws and one end slowly worked its way off. Somewhere in the process of getting that end cap off, the shaft started turning again. Don't know exactly what I did to fix it, but it works.

    Now that the shooter is working, I now see that it doesn't have enough strength to get the balls up in the playfield. the balls don't even clear the ramp to get on the playfield. I know there's this thing, see photo, used to adjust that. After playing with it for about 30 minutes, I couldn't figure out how to make the adjustments. I sure could use some help on this very basic part please.

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    in your pics there is a scale of 12345.. does that adjust??

    if all else fails shorten the spring.. more tension the harder it shoots..

    bare in mind that a frozen motor may still be bound up a bit and with lube and time it might gain additional strength
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    After playing with the shooter tensioner a while, I was able to figure it out. Setting it to the strongest tension it still didn't have enough oomph to get the balls up in the playfield. Moparformances, you were correct. Instead of shortening the spring, I replaced it with a new one. Now the shooter and tensioner are working great. Good timing, my neighbor just got back from a road trip vacation and I can give him his working pachinko machine back.

    Thanks again for your bits of wisdom.

    Rick

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