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    Default Re: Help with Battle Counter hook up

    You might have voltage outputs on your pachinko, so try connecting to the voltage input side of the connector block. A voltage output connected to a contact input is likely to cause strange symptoms similar to what you are getting.

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    I moved all three (3) to the voltage side of the block. This morning I thought I was getting some starts, but only 5 starts. I think it was just false signals. The only thing I can tell for sure is that I am getting a pulse for fevers. The counter goes up one number and the lights go on. That is all I notice. Any suggestions for start and kakuhen? Thanks

    One other thing......my battle counter is a 2008 model. I do not know when my machine was built. I posted pictures of the machine earlier if someone could tell me when it was built.
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    Default Re: Help with Battle Counter hook up

    IMG_4791.jpgIMG_4788.jpgWhat year is my pachinko?

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    CRドラムクラッシュSV

    September 2002

    http://www.p-world.co.jp/machine/database/2310
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    In looking at this........I can't tell which frame it uses? Ideas? Thanks.

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    The frame is a Sansei R&D "Zerostyle". Used for 13 games between 2002 and 2004. Most of the games using this frame had custom moulded game specific speaker covers, so they all look a little different to each other.

    List of games using this frame. Could try searching for connection info for the other titles using this frame, but as it's quite old now it's unlikely to be on any of the battle counter manufacturers sites.

    Can't see a good reason why the battle counter would not picking up the signals. Are you sure you've got them plugged into the cell outputs and not the frame outputs, CN1 is 'Bonus' on both, so you would still get fevers on the counter if they were plugged into the frame outputs.

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    This one looks pretty cool I like the extra bonus reels

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    I had a phone call with MGB1977 and we determined that CN2 pulses after the reels stop however the voltage that its outputing varies. One time 3.35 another 1.5 another .31 when the meter was set in the 20 DCV range. We tested the meter on a 9V battery and it does read 8.5 VDC so it it working. This seems odd to me. We borrowed one connector from the harness and slipped wire in the female ends with the meter on those. The only thing I can think of is there was not a good connection. I mailed some connectors wit clips to clip on the meter ends and we will see in a few days.

    My question is ...........Is it typical for a unit when plugged in to the cell output CN2 to get different voltages. all of the ones I have seen have outputed the same every time.


    We even Ohmed out the cable we used and it is making connection with no resistance as it should. Any thoughts

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    Its more likely to be the volt meters screen refresh rate not displaying the pulse reading quick enough. Its why the pros use an osciliscope rather than a volt meter.
    I don't have one
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    We know the battle counter works as we shorted the three (3) inputs to the counter and it worked on all three inputs.

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    Drunkenclam I think you are corre t on this. The meter he is using has capacitance testing features as well as others that most basic multimeters have. Also it had some auto hold option.

    I dont have access to a scope anymore either. As I realize that is the best way mgb1977 I know does not have one either. I did these test to get mine working I had the same problem as him before I made a opto circuit for it.

    https://youtu.be/l2N1CN86ueE

    My meter works in registering the correct value see above video.

    I have 2 machines from the same time period and from 2 different mfg one sankyo and one fuji. They both outputed 12 v

    Is 12 v dc a typical / standard voltage for voltage outputs ? Anyone know






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    Most things in the industry are standard. Supply voltage. CR inputs. Counters etc. Although all my machines are contact rather than voltage for the counters
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    Like Drunkenclam said, the different readings are most likely to do with the sampling rate on the multimeter. Some meters are good at reading quick pulses, some not so good. If you want to check the actual voltage the machine outputs, try measuring the 'Door Open' output (with the door open!) as it's a steady state signal.

    An oscilloscope is handy to have, I have a couple of full size ones on my bench (one analogue and one digital), but the one that gets the most use is a small handheld 'scopemeter' with an LCD display. The next best thing is a multimeter with a bar-graph display that can respond to the peaks and transients of the signal much faster than the display digits.

    The voltage outputs can be quite varied. When measured with a meter some output around 12V (or less), others over 30V. It all depends on the driver circuit used in the pachinko.

    The key is that they are designed to drive an LED in an opto isolator at around the same current. So a higher voltage output will usually have a series resistor designed to limit the current. If you measure the voltage with no load, it will measure the full 30V+, if it's connected to a battle counter, then some of the voltage will be dropped across the series resistor and you'll measure a lower voltage (again around the 12V). So the battle counter input circuit will always see a similar voltage.

    The important thing is that if you measure any voltage on the outputs, then you can be pretty certain it's not a contact output, and make sure you connect it to the voltage inputs on your battle counter.

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    Ive had my eyes on the pocket scope just dont have the money now. Ive been helpng mgb1977 but he is 1000 miles from me so trying to do it all from the phone. I know hiw bad it sucks to have a new toy that doesnt wirk out of the box so to speak.

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    I am getting NO reading for the door open CN5 orange (frame out). Now I am baffled. Any ideas?

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    ***** UPDATE *****

    My battle counter is now working. The START, AND FEVER are working. KAKUHAN has not been verified, but will be.

    I want to thank all of Pachitalk for helping. (Even the ones that read my post and could not add anything.) Mandoman had some long phone calls with me.

    Now.....A special thanks to samslack. He had a theory......emailed.....texted.....and called, walking me through everything. (Knowing I was in FL without tools.) He just kept saying "I know what it is like to have a new toy, and it isn't working. We will get it working." HE DID!

    I am just an older guy that loves the shiny silver balls. It started in pinball.....I have 4. One pachislo. Then moved to pachinko. I have 4 modern ones that work. One sick one. Will I get a vintage pachinko? Not YES, but heck yes. I have to have at least one that started all of this. Will it be a restoration or one done.......Who knows. One will call to me.

    Thanks again. I will think of samslack and you guys each time I look up at my battle counter.

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    I'm glad you are getting it sorted out. I've been following with interest thinking that someday I might go down this path as well.
    Great job in sticking with it and to all those that helped as well

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    I'm happy to hear you're having some success. Give yourself some credit as well for sticking with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mandoman View Post
    Blinky lights makes everything better.
    So true
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    Ya i too have a facination with fast moving silver balls and flashing lights

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