Eliminating Hopper

[jackpot]

Does anyone know of a way that the hopper can be removed or disconnected but still have it thinking that it is working and connected?
Or without having the HE code.
Trying to see if its possible to go coin less.

[H20Dreams]

coinless??? That would be like going ball less! Why?

[luckydog]

some machines are set up for tokenless, but I'm not sure how they do it.

[dishpan]

Whoops! I stumbled into this thread by accident thinking it was a discussion about rabbit stew recipes.

[rodtrotter]

rabbit stew

[PachiMan2007]

This is why I Love these Machines, is because of the TOKENS.
Please DON'T go there.:compdesk: I don't want to know.

[zOOdeac]

Does anyone know of a way that the hopper can be removed or disconnected but still have it thinking that it is working and connected?
Or without having the HE code.
Trying to see if its possible to go coin less.

I'm also looking for a way to convert this in Oregon if the system don’t have coins going in or out there legal to own and have fun with in your game room. Yes something it defeats the purpose but I want a game room with 2 or 4 of them.

[arbycoffee]

I would Email Gaku and ask him, his ablity is vast in this area.

[zOOdeac]

I search the internet and I see a lot of people selling push-n-play systems that add credits and don’t use the hopper. Adding the credits I see people making chips for but fooling the hopper optical is another story there’s just nothing I could find.

If i can only find a way to fool the hopper my systems are legal in Oregon because they don’t take or send tokens anymore.

There has to be a way of finding this information out without buying another game as I have 9 of them now

Only if i could find a order button for this prossess i would buy them and bow to anyone that showed me.

[Youngjedi]

I'm not sure fooling the hopper is possible on a pachislo...I've never seen it either. However, US slot machines are sold in illinois, but in order to do it they remove the hopper and make them "credit" only. If you can get hold of the people who convert those, maybe it would work for the pachislo as well.

Another idea, maybe you can remove the hopper and build one that has a pachinko payout motor. That way the machine will dispence balls instead of tokens. But that might not make it legal either.

[arbycoffee]

Try GAKU ?

http://www.gaktradinginc.com/

[alstonj1]

it'd be easy to fool the hopper all you need to do is move the sensor inside the hopper and attach a few pieces of plastic to the pay out wheel to trip the sensor as it spins the hopper will shut down automatically once it has paid enough out .remove the shoot and anything that is in the way of the wheel spinning .then pop rivet or drill and tap screw holes to cover the payout slot into the tray and you should be okay with the state .

[luckydog]

they have sold some tokenless machine here, but, I never got a chance to look inside them to see how they do it.

[zOOdeac]

My understanding is the conversion is a pulse modulator.
Anyone know if it’s a voltage or negative for the pulse so I can
make a few modulator?
Any information about the hopper will be a big help thanks a lot for any help.

[zOOdeac]

I found a company that has 3 push-n-play modules and i got them for 3 of the 9 systems I have. I know it was steep 69.00 each but i was sure to ask if there covered in plastic or can I see the chips inside so i might be able to get a friend to help me make this items for the rest of my systems.

This adapters I am getting add credits and fool the hopper the problem is it only works with part of my systems like the king camel but not the queen fever. Its probably the pin out but I’ll keep you all updated on what goes on. who knows I might make a universal one that will work with all systems and sell them myself for people like myself in Oregon.

zOdeac
now time for the cool ad for how hot it is here well 84 is not hot to most but when your in the 60s or 70s and go to 80s ya it gets hot.

[alstonj1]

thats proprietary depending on the maker it could be high or low you need to check with a meter to get a baseline then pass a coin and find the change .then you need to make it pulse the right amount of times .too many or to few pulses will give an error also so let the machine do the work for you by monitoring the voltage to the hopper it will stop the motor when the right amount is met .a simple timer circuit and relay should do the trick .

[zOOdeac]

I just can’t believe someone has not mad this before, From what I found this state’s find skill stop illegal.

Alabama, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Louisiana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, South Carolina and Washington.

But with the conversion only this days are prohibited. I do think though it’s just a video game with or without tokens it’s just how the laws are.
Today I contacted the Oregon Lottery State Police gaming division and even they told me if any system is converted without pay in or payout
there’s nothing they can do.

Louisiana and Colorado

I see 9 states that could use this with this conversion I wonder how many of this devices would get sold with the Auto Stop installed hmm.

[luckydog]

pachislos and packinkos are legal in Florida, but, for home use only.

[FTKServices]

New jersey law, as long as there is no money or tokens of value, they are ok. Can't use real money of any kind or be able to redeem the tokens in anyway. And if the local DA as a bug in his butt, he may try for a technicality.

[zOOdeac]

FTKServices, This is the same here in Oregon. They way the law reads it could be a gray as they call it. All gray systems are illegal and that’s why I have been looking for some way of getting around it.
The thing I don’t understand is why only a few people sold this modules and now you have a hard time even finding anyone with them that they will sell.
I’m sure if I paid for 3 of them others would pay. I just got off the phone with a friend that went to school on optical and pulse modulators so
if all works out after we had a talk we might even come up with a prototype. I have to day this board is the best source for information I have learned more
from this site then I have in 2 months looking around on the web calling people.
Oh aye I don’t know who owns www.pachislocity.com sucks I can’t get them to respond after signup. I think I’ll just have to go and visit PayPal and let them know
I just can’t get any response or access. Thanks guys for building this site.