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    Default Shill Bidding Driving up eBay Prices

    And, this is news? Any regular bidder would know this already. Stuff happens. Buyer beware...

    Revealed: how eBay sellers fix auctions


    CUSTOMERS of the internet auction site eBay are being defrauded by unscrupulous dealers who secretly bid up the price of items on sale to boost profits.
    An investigation by The Sunday Times has indicated that the practice of artificially driving up prices — known as shill bidding — is widespread across the site.



    Last week one of the UK’s biggest eBay sellers admitted in a taped conversation with an undercover reporter that he was prepared to use business associates to bid on his goods for him.

    Our inquiries found evidence that a number of businesses — ranging from overseas property agencies to car dealerships — have placed bids on their own items using fake identities.

    The cases raise questions about whether eBay, the world’s biggest auction site, is doing enough to protect consumers.

    Shill bidding is against eBay rules and is illegal under the 2006 Fraud Act. However, the resulting higher prices on the site boost the value of eBay’s share of the sales.

    Last November eBay changed its rules to conceal bidders’ identity — making it even more difficult for customers to see whether sellers are bidding on their own lots. Since its launch seven years ago, eBay’s UK website has attracted more than 15m customers. It sells more than 10m items at any given time.

    One of the beneficiaries of the boom is Eftis Paraskevaides, a former gynaecologist, from Cambridgeshire. He has become a “Titanium PowerSeller” — one of eBay’s handful of top earners — selling more than £1.4m worth of antiquities a year on the site.

    In a conversation with an undercover reporter last week, Paraskevaides claimed shill bidding was commonplace on eBay.

    When the reporter asked whether he arranged for associates to bid on his own items, he replied: “Well, if I put something really expensive (up for sale) and I was concerned that it was going for nothing, I would phone a friend of mine, even a client of mine who buys from me, and say: For Christ’s sake, I sell you 100 quids’ worth of items a week . . . just put two grand on it, will you?” The reporter was posing as a seller of valuable antiquities. He inquired whether Paraskevaides could sell them on eBay and guarantee a minimum price.

    He replied: “Leave it to me (laughs). Don’t call it shill bidding. Then I won’t be accused of shill bidding. Yes. I mean — I’ve got people.

    “I’ve got some of my big clients who buy big items off me, I look after them. So I can get on the phone to America and say: Mr XXXX . . . you’re a multi- millionaire. You buy a hundred grand’s worth off me a year. Do me a favour would you. Just put — yeah. Exactly.”

    He claimed eBay would never follow up a complaint against him for shill bidding because he generated about £15,000 a month in commission for the company. “Are they going to ban somebody who’s making them the best part of 15 grand a month? No,” he said.

    After being told that he had been talking to an undercover reporter, Paraskevaides denied that he had ever shill bidded on eBay and claimed he was talking about clients who sometimes bid on expensive items if they wished to protect the price.

    However The Sunday Times discovered businesses that have been bidding on their own items. One leading dealer from London admitted last week that that he had shill bidded in the past.

    A spokesman for eBay said he expected that the company would now launch an investigation into Paraskevaides. Anyone caught shill bidding risks a permanent ban.

    The spokesman added: “The change to the way bidder IDs are shown has already resulted in a safer environment for users.”

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    Default Re: Shill Bidding Driving up eBay Prices

    also a big problem is the newbie kids and adults bidding on things for the heck of it and not paying.

    or people who don't read the whole ad and complain later.
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    Default Re: Shill Bidding Driving up eBay Prices

    Note: I do not sell on eBay.

    No question the 'bidder shielding' is encouraging shill bidding. But for me, I just pick the price I want to pay and set the sniper. By ignoring the bids the shilling works out the same as a fixed start price. Usually I lose, that's fine. Sometimes I win, and this way I'm always happy.

    But any non-sniping bidder is always going to be nailed by shilling, old system or new.

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    Default Re: Shill Bidding Driving up eBay Prices

    If a seller is worried about selling too low, why not just put a reserve on it for their minimum acceptable price. Be a lot easier than having snipers come in to bid it up.

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    greed
    reserve and starting prices cost extra to list.
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    Default Re: Shill Bidding Driving up eBay Prices

    Not to mention that many live auctions actually use shill bidders, as disclosed in the fine print when you sign up. "Builds interest" they'd say.
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    Default Re: Shill Bidding Driving up eBay Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by ocpachinko View Post
    Note: I do not sell on eBay.

    No question the 'bidder shielding' is encouraging shill bidding. But for me, I just pick the price I want to pay and set the sniper. By ignoring the bids the shilling works out the same as a fixed start price. Usually I lose, that's fine. Sometimes I win, and this way I'm always happy.

    But any non-sniping bidder is always going to be nailed by shilling, old system or new.

    I just need everything I want listed here on Pachitalk...problem solved!


    This new news is the same old old news. Shilling has been around for a long time and Ebay makes tons of money because of it.

    I agree with oc : Just know what your maximum price is that you are willing to pay and set your sniper at that and sit back and watch the games begin.

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    He claimed eBay would never follow up a complaint against him for shill bidding because he generated about £15,000 a month in commission for the company. “Are they going to ban somebody who’s making them the best part of 15 grand a month? No,” he said.
    Another great reason to use the PachiTalk Auction site. We really won't allow shills. I guarantee no one is paying me $15,000 a month so I'm free to boot anyone who trys to shill..

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    Man why is there always a Greek involved

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    Default Re: Shill Bidding Driving up eBay Prices

    wake up on the wrong side of the rock sid?
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    Default Re: Shill Bidding Driving up eBay Prices

    what?

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    Default Re: Shill Bidding Driving up eBay Prices

    Sorry Sid forgot you wouldn't have seen the commercial over there .an insurance commercial has a caveman upset cause they said it was so easy to use their website a caveman could do it . so he gets on this talk show to protest and the girl commentator says sounds like he woke up on the wrong side of the rock.
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    no i thought it was funny.. i didnt see it any other way...



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    Default Re: Shill Bidding Driving up eBay Prices

    This was front page too! Must have been a slow news day.
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