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    Quote Originally Posted by azlew View Post
    I tried to find out if they were associated with the Red Dragon in Las Vegas but no one knows that I talked to. Seems the owners of The Laughlin River Lodge Casino has all 4 casinos under one roof even one that is called Dottys and there is Dottys (several I think)in Las Vegas also.
    When we were in Laughlin 2 weeks go we tried to get them to open up the room for us but they said they weren't ready yet even tho they were all lit and looked ready for play :-( The bartender there thought they were waiting for licensing. Not sure what that meant.

    Anyway we plan to be back there in few weeks and I will update here if they are open for pay then and hopefully have videos galore!!

    We currently supply them with all of their machines. They have already done more than one order with us so they should be able to get them up and running without a problem unless they are over purchasing before consulting with their legal team.
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    I don't know what law you read for NC but you are VERY WRONG! You don't buy the balls, you "rent" them in order to play the game and then you redeem your winnings for prizes. If pachinko is illegal in NC then so is Skee-Ball! You can't play either game without the balls. Pachinko has an element of SKILL which makes it NOT gambling! So please don't go around posting something that is NOT true especially when you don't have all the facts or know exactly what you are talking about! We've been operating for 2 and half years now with NO problems.
    https://youtu.be/fPk7thfzxIM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leorules View Post
    I don't know what law you read for NC but you are VERY WRONG! You don't buy the balls, you "rent" them in order to play the game and then you redeem your winnings for prizes. If pachinko is illegal in NC then so is Skee-Ball! You can't play either game without the balls. Pachinko has an element of SKILL which makes it NOT gambling! So please don't go around posting something that is NOT true especially when you don't have all the facts or know exactly what you are talking about! We've been operating for 2 and half years now with NO problems.
    https://youtu.be/fPk7thfzxIM
    Yep I think I specifically pointed out that you had no problems and was looking for clarification on where it was stated pachinko was exempt from GS14-306. Specifically because we have the exact same law in Washington related to them and I was interested in putting my machines out as part of my arcade. Unfortunately the wording of the law is vague enough to allow for legal interpretation in either direction, and I wouldn't want to put the rest of my business at risk. I fully agree, that according to the way this law is written, gameworks, Chuck e cheese, and any claw machine for that matter would be illegal as well. I find it hard to tell the difference between giving prizes for pachinko, or prizes for ticket redemption games so they should all be allowed to be used.

    Hopefully they will relax the laws in some of these states because in my state it is specifically a gambling device and i'd be afraid to lose my collection if it was on public display.

    I like what you guys are doing and hope you guys can keep it going for a long time to come.

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    Look at section "b" and you will see that Pachinko is EXEMPT! https://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enacted.../gs_14-306.pdf

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    THIS is the part of the law that makes Pachinko LEGAL in the state of NC: "dependent on the skill or dexterity of the player"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leorules View Post
    THIS is the part of the law that makes Pachinko LEGAL in the state of NC: "dependent on the skill or dexterity of the player"
    Sure except for the part that says you can't give out prizes worth more than $10. That's the part that changes things for me. In Washington it is even more specific. You can't give more value that the player put in. It's very restrictive. But again how do they justify skee ball? The laws are all so archaic, it's time they were reevaluated.

    And then there is this article which calls out curves based on operating pachinko machines.

    http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/2...ing-operations

    (b) The definition contained in subsection (a) of this section and G.S. 14-296, 14-301,
    14-302, and 14-305 does not include coin-operated machines, video games, pinball machines,
    and other computer, electronic or mechanical devices that are operated and played for
    amusement, that involve the use of skill or dexterity to solve problems or tasks or to make
    varying scores or tallies and that:
    (1) Do not emit, issue, display, print out, or otherwise record any receipt, paper,
    coupon, token, or other form of record which is capable of being redeemed,
    exchanged, or repurchased for cash, cash equivalent, or prizes, or award free
    replays; or
    (2) In actual operation, limit to eight the number of accumulated credits or
    replays that may be played at one time and which may award free replays or
    paper coupons that may be exchanged for prizes or merchandise with a value
    not exceeding ten dollars ($10.00), but may not be exchanged or converted
    to money.

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    The ones that were in the paper were paying out CASH prizes and operating ILLEGAL sweepstakes and other machines to boot. We have NOTHING to do with them and would never give out cash prizes! As far as the $10 prize according to my attorney that specific law pertains to "per play" and ONE play on Pachinko would be ONE ball. So if you shoot 100 balls you could actually win a prize worth up to $1000. It's actually made more for crane games so if a person puts in a quarter or 50c or even a dollar that prize isn't supposed to be worth more than $10, but there's PLENTY of crane operators here that have big prizes worth way more than that. My attorney has told us as long as there's an element of skill to the game and as long as we don't offer cash prizes we are fine and don't have anything to worry about. Also pachinko isn't mentioned ANYWHERE in ANY law here in NC.

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    That's great info. That what I was hoping to find out. What the difference is. I built an interface that I can plug into a pachinko machine and a ticket dispenser that gives out tickets whenever balls are won and was wondering if by changing it from a ball dispensing (which our state seems to think is a reasonable representation of actual money). This would essentially make them identical to the skeeball and chuck e cheese machines. I need to see if I can get in touch with one of our gambling enforcement agents ad run it by them. Since we have pull tabs in bars and card rooms are legal and licensed in Washington you need to be really careful operating an arcade/bar. I think if I can get our local enforcement agent (they work closely with the liquor board enforcement agents here) to agree that it isn't gambling I may be able to add a few into the arcade slowly and see what happens.

    The tickets also get me past the only allowed to award 8 replays. The pockets that award 10 balls if one goes in there always had me worried. Washington state has that same wording. i wonder why they would want to limit the amount of replays you can award? I should be able to let people play for free. That certainly isn't gambling!

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    The limit of 8 replays is in reference to PINBALL machines and the reasoning is that businesses use to buy back won credits. If you make it so that your machine will give out tickets instead of more balls to keep playing then it is no different than any other redemption game in any family fun center or Chuck E Cheese, Dave and Busters ect.

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    The ONLY problem with having your machine give out tickets is then your machine will be way less profitable and basically make you NO money! If you're only giving out tickets then there's no way they can play off the balls won and they will always be redeeming their tickets for prizes, so you will be giving away a LOT of prizes.

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    I own a bar and arcade. They would have to keep buying balls to play and the tickets would have to be set appropriately. If they buy 5$ worth of balls unless a jackpot is hit, they won't be having that many tickets to turn in unless they buy more balls since no new ones will be coming out. 1 ticket for every 10 balls that get sent out also keeps that redemption to a lower amount unless they play to hit a jackpot. Not to mention that the games for me are a loss leader. Our money is made on beer and liquor much more than on games. Its another thing that keeps butts in seats and hopefully buying food and drink.

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    That's why we have the Community Jackpot system, that keeps players in the seats and playing. If the community jackpot doesn't hit, someone will be in the hotseat. There's always a hotseat winner every time the wheel spins. We're also not a bar, so you are just adding games to keep people occupied and having fun and hopefully buying more drinks. I wish you all the best with your venture. If you decide you need a Pachinko POS or Community Jackpot system, let me know.

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    Ok here is my first video of the Pachinko "Parlor" in The Laughlin River Lodge Casino in Laughlin Nevada
    I will post more pics and video later along with a review.
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    Sadly you can’t win anything there.

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    Yep that will be part of my review. If you have more info than that then please share it and I will add to it. Soon two more videos and a couple of pics and then my full review :-)

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    This is pretty much self explanatory but I will will discuss in my review later.P1020349.JPGP1020344.JPG

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    Ok final video etc.

    Here is what I think about this :

    This "Hall" is located at the newly refurbished Laughlin River Lodge Hotel and Casino in Laughlin Nevada. It is located in a new area in the lower level of the main casino in what is a themed Japanese casino. After seeing the hall was open and ready to be used we asked a bartender what needs to be done in order to play the pachinkos. She said it is 5.00 per person for one hour and you can play as much on every machine you want. She stated that there is nothing you can win or any prizes etc. We went in and saw that there were small catch baskets under each machine that you catch your winnings over overflow balls in. In order to play you take that small basket over to the large container I pictured and get what you need.
    Initially everything looked like a nice setup but there are problems. The initial problem is that at least a third of the pachinkos don't work and there is no attendant to help. Another problem is that there are no counters to show what and if you win anything besides accumulated balls in the machine. And finally the biggest problem was is that there were balls always falling on the floor rolling around either from baskets not being left under the machine or people just dropping balls. So you have to be very careful walking around. It is a contained room so luckily no balls were rolling out into the main casino :-0
    All in all it was nice to see pachinkos in Laughlin but this seems like a temp setup as they really need to have an attendant and get more of the machines fixed etc etc.

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    I'm going to have to stop on and check this out this summer when I do my usual Trip to Anime Expo in LA.
    I have family in Vegas, Bullhead City, and Havasu.. so I spend a little time with each as I make my way to LA.. hopefully it's still there.. though I can't say I am familiar with this casino will have to google it.

    I do find it neat how they are handling lost balls.. I may be able to do the same with my machines..

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    Quote Originally Posted by stampeed valkyrie View Post
    ....hopefully it's still there.. though I can't say I am familiar with this casino will have to google it.

    I do find it neat how they are handling lost balls.. I may be able to do the same with my machines..
    It (The Laughlin River Lodge) used to be The River Palms Hotel and Casino. It is a large property. I think a lot years back it was called Sam's Town?
    Yeah the balls primarily fall into the container on the floor but human error can create like I said a dangerous situation....

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    LOL what kind of "Parlor" open for business has all of the balls rolling out in the open on the floor to a box for anyone to just pick up and play??? If they ever had all of the machines playing at once that box would fill in seconds. Why pay anything when you can just pick up free balls?? Probably the reason half the games don't work is they don't have an additional hopper over the top to hold balls for when you get a fever. There's no attendant so who's going to fill the hopper? I wouldn't call this a parlor, I'd call this a half ass attempt of a free play center.
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