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    I tried to find out if they were associated with the Red Dragon in Las Vegas but no one knows that I talked to. Seems the owners of The Laughlin River Lodge Casino has all 4 casinos under one roof even one that is called Dottys and there is Dottys (several I think)in Las Vegas also.
    When we were in Laughlin 2 weeks go we tried to get them to open up the room for us but they said they weren't ready yet even tho they were all lit and looked ready for play :-( The bartender there thought they were waiting for licensing. Not sure what that meant.

    Anyway we plan to be back there in few weeks and I will update here if they are open for pay then and hopefully have videos galore!!

    We currently supply them with all of their machines. They have already done more than one order with us so they should be able to get them up and running without a problem unless they are over purchasing before consulting with their legal team.
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    I don't know what law you read for NC but you are VERY WRONG! You don't buy the balls, you "rent" them in order to play the game and then you redeem your winnings for prizes. If pachinko is illegal in NC then so is Skee-Ball! You can't play either game without the balls. Pachinko has an element of SKILL which makes it NOT gambling! So please don't go around posting something that is NOT true especially when you don't have all the facts or know exactly what you are talking about! We've been operating for 2 and half years now with NO problems.
    https://youtu.be/fPk7thfzxIM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leorules View Post
    I don't know what law you read for NC but you are VERY WRONG! You don't buy the balls, you "rent" them in order to play the game and then you redeem your winnings for prizes. If pachinko is illegal in NC then so is Skee-Ball! You can't play either game without the balls. Pachinko has an element of SKILL which makes it NOT gambling! So please don't go around posting something that is NOT true especially when you don't have all the facts or know exactly what you are talking about! We've been operating for 2 and half years now with NO problems.
    https://youtu.be/fPk7thfzxIM
    Yep I think I specifically pointed out that you had no problems and was looking for clarification on where it was stated pachinko was exempt from GS14-306. Specifically because we have the exact same law in Washington related to them and I was interested in putting my machines out as part of my arcade. Unfortunately the wording of the law is vague enough to allow for legal interpretation in either direction, and I wouldn't want to put the rest of my business at risk. I fully agree, that according to the way this law is written, gameworks, Chuck e cheese, and any claw machine for that matter would be illegal as well. I find it hard to tell the difference between giving prizes for pachinko, or prizes for ticket redemption games so they should all be allowed to be used.

    Hopefully they will relax the laws in some of these states because in my state it is specifically a gambling device and i'd be afraid to lose my collection if it was on public display.

    I like what you guys are doing and hope you guys can keep it going for a long time to come.

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    Look at section "b" and you will see that Pachinko is EXEMPT! https://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enacted.../gs_14-306.pdf

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    THIS is the part of the law that makes Pachinko LEGAL in the state of NC: "dependent on the skill or dexterity of the player"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leorules View Post
    THIS is the part of the law that makes Pachinko LEGAL in the state of NC: "dependent on the skill or dexterity of the player"
    Sure except for the part that says you can't give out prizes worth more than $10. That's the part that changes things for me. In Washington it is even more specific. You can't give more value that the player put in. It's very restrictive. But again how do they justify skee ball? The laws are all so archaic, it's time they were reevaluated.

    And then there is this article which calls out curves based on operating pachinko machines.

    http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/2...ing-operations

    (b) The definition contained in subsection (a) of this section and G.S. 14-296, 14-301,
    14-302, and 14-305 does not include coin-operated machines, video games, pinball machines,
    and other computer, electronic or mechanical devices that are operated and played for
    amusement, that involve the use of skill or dexterity to solve problems or tasks or to make
    varying scores or tallies and that:
    (1) Do not emit, issue, display, print out, or otherwise record any receipt, paper,
    coupon, token, or other form of record which is capable of being redeemed,
    exchanged, or repurchased for cash, cash equivalent, or prizes, or award free
    replays; or
    (2) In actual operation, limit to eight the number of accumulated credits or
    replays that may be played at one time and which may award free replays or
    paper coupons that may be exchanged for prizes or merchandise with a value
    not exceeding ten dollars ($10.00), but may not be exchanged or converted
    to money.

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    The ones that were in the paper were paying out CASH prizes and operating ILLEGAL sweepstakes and other machines to boot. We have NOTHING to do with them and would never give out cash prizes! As far as the $10 prize according to my attorney that specific law pertains to "per play" and ONE play on Pachinko would be ONE ball. So if you shoot 100 balls you could actually win a prize worth up to $1000. It's actually made more for crane games so if a person puts in a quarter or 50c or even a dollar that prize isn't supposed to be worth more than $10, but there's PLENTY of crane operators here that have big prizes worth way more than that. My attorney has told us as long as there's an element of skill to the game and as long as we don't offer cash prizes we are fine and don't have anything to worry about. Also pachinko isn't mentioned ANYWHERE in ANY law here in NC.

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    That's great info. That what I was hoping to find out. What the difference is. I built an interface that I can plug into a pachinko machine and a ticket dispenser that gives out tickets whenever balls are won and was wondering if by changing it from a ball dispensing (which our state seems to think is a reasonable representation of actual money). This would essentially make them identical to the skeeball and chuck e cheese machines. I need to see if I can get in touch with one of our gambling enforcement agents ad run it by them. Since we have pull tabs in bars and card rooms are legal and licensed in Washington you need to be really careful operating an arcade/bar. I think if I can get our local enforcement agent (they work closely with the liquor board enforcement agents here) to agree that it isn't gambling I may be able to add a few into the arcade slowly and see what happens.

    The tickets also get me past the only allowed to award 8 replays. The pockets that award 10 balls if one goes in there always had me worried. Washington state has that same wording. i wonder why they would want to limit the amount of replays you can award? I should be able to let people play for free. That certainly isn't gambling!

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    The limit of 8 replays is in reference to PINBALL machines and the reasoning is that businesses use to buy back won credits. If you make it so that your machine will give out tickets instead of more balls to keep playing then it is no different than any other redemption game in any family fun center or Chuck E Cheese, Dave and Busters ect.

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    The ONLY problem with having your machine give out tickets is then your machine will be way less profitable and basically make you NO money! If you're only giving out tickets then there's no way they can play off the balls won and they will always be redeeming their tickets for prizes, so you will be giving away a LOT of prizes.

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    I own a bar and arcade. They would have to keep buying balls to play and the tickets would have to be set appropriately. If they buy 5$ worth of balls unless a jackpot is hit, they won't be having that many tickets to turn in unless they buy more balls since no new ones will be coming out. 1 ticket for every 10 balls that get sent out also keeps that redemption to a lower amount unless they play to hit a jackpot. Not to mention that the games for me are a loss leader. Our money is made on beer and liquor much more than on games. Its another thing that keeps butts in seats and hopefully buying food and drink.

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    That's why we have the Community Jackpot system, that keeps players in the seats and playing. If the community jackpot doesn't hit, someone will be in the hotseat. There's always a hotseat winner every time the wheel spins. We're also not a bar, so you are just adding games to keep people occupied and having fun and hopefully buying more drinks. I wish you all the best with your venture. If you decide you need a Pachinko POS or Community Jackpot system, let me know.

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