Hanabi Hyakkei [BUG?] Its cheating us out of tokens!

[maury]

Hey everyone, I thought this was rather interesting today. Lets go threw some logic first. On all Pachislos to light 1 pay line you pay 1 token (credit), during BB when you get the replay things and you enter the 1- 7, 1-6 ,1-5 ,1-4, 1-3 ,etc... You pay 1 coin to play that spin and get 15ish back. So anyway today i was playing my HH and looked at my score and I was cutting it close. So rather than having the machine take the credit away from my running total i decided to drop a coin in (WITH CREDIT MODE ON - 50 CREDITS FULL DIDNT CHANGE) So i droped the credit it and it registered it. then when i went to spin the wheel, not only did it eat my token, but eat a -1 to my score to use for the spin. Thus you just lost 2 tokens for the spin instead of one. I tried it threw the WHOLE bonus round, and YUP its taking your coins! If you play this way, by entering a coin with 50 credits in the machine, you will lose 45 credits 15 games of 3 15x3=45 during the play. I dunno, there are a few ways that this could be figured out, but even if we figure this out, it still takes -1 point off your running score at the top for spinning the wheel?
Someone put some logic into my head

[luckydog]

don't put any extra tokens in on the bonus rounds,

or play machines without credits.

[logicprobe]

In gambling and odds...
There's a difference between 15 FOR 1, and 15 TO 1.

Maybe that's it.

[maury]

But no matter what it takes off -1 point on your running total to make the spin

[luckydog]

you are betting one and winning fifteen.

[RKnarr01]

doesnt "1-6' mean you have 16 spins left and then when you take another spin it goes to ''1-5'' meaning you have 15 spins left?

[Utopia1dc]

Maury-

I have an HH, and that's how I play, I drop one and spin. But mine doesn't subtract one like you describe. maybe there is something wrong with your machine? Mine works fine that way.

[maury]

But like i said above, no matter if you use credits out of the 50, or enter a NEW credit, it will eat one credit from your 'highscore' and your token!

[Utopia1dc]

Maury-

You bet one to spin and you win 15, which is a net of 14 tokens for that spin. Any way you slice it, you need to bet one, either by dropping one or using a credit, and you win 15, which yields you 14 net. It's the way the machine is designed. It's the rule of the game. You have to play by the rules.

Like in football, Pittsburgh coach Bill Cohwer is famous for arguing with the ref over a call. Then the ref said, "I had to make that call by rule, and Cowher responds by saying, "The rule's the rule. I can't argue the rule."

[TeeDubya]

I know what you're saying...Azteca Legend used to do that in the CT (Challenge Time) round after a bonus game.

Maury isn't talking about credits being used, he's talking about the LCD (?) counter that keeps track of your winnings. He's saying (I think) that when he inserts tokens or slaps the MAX BET button, the machine deducts those tokens from the counter.

So, if it's a one-bet bonus game, the counter goes down by one for the bet and then increases by 15 for a win, which is a net gain of 14, which is correct. You have to account for your original bet. 1 in, 15 out.

Hey, I don't make this stuff up!

When you see 1-6, 1-5, 1-4, etc., the first number indicates which bonus game you're playing. Eh, sort of...if you're playing the FIRST round of a Big Bonus consisting of 3 rounds, your first bonus game counts 3-8, 3-7...3-1. The counter counts backwards, is what I'm tryin' to say here.

I think I need some sleep now...

[logicprobe]

You guys got it...

15 FOR 1...
It gives you 15 tokens FOR 1 token. A net gain of 14.
(A 15 TO 1 bet would return your original 1 bet, as well as pay 15. In Blackjack - the game, not the pachi, for example, a BJ pays 3 TO 2; you get 3 and keep the 2 you put up. 3 FOR 2 would suck there, wouldn't it?)

And the bonus counter is keeping track of that. It subtracts the one you're playing... whether you're using it from your credits (50 goes to 49), or you put one in by hand.

The bonus counter shows your NET gain.

Are you saying the credit meter ALSO goes down by 1? (50 to 49?)
Come to think of it, you couldn't put a coin in with 50 credits already there... it would fall through.

[RKnarr01]

3 for 2 in black jack is not a bad payback if you bet 50 your receiving winning 75. usually BJ only pays 2 to 1.

[logicprobe]

Look and learn, young Grasshopper. :smirk:

http://www.wizardofodds.com/blackjack

[pachi_sloter]

Come to think of it, you couldn't put a coin in with 50 credits already there... it would fall through.

Until the max has been bet, the tokens that are inserted are placed as bets before being added as credits. If there are 50 credits and the max has already been bet the tokens will fall through.