Travel Channel Japan show Pachinko Parlor Clip

[rupan777]

I'm curious then why the Japanese manufact. even bothers to put that button on there then(seems like a waste if all the players never use it)? I don't use it here but then again I am not buying the balls . My Gachinko doesn't have that button as far as I can tell.

In the video where is the name of the Parlor(passage) or do you recognize it from being in it at one time?

You don't have to say your sorry as we (or at least I am) are always starving for accurate information.

I find that incredible Japan and that parlor would allow an inaccurate protrayal like that! Maybe they used Google to translate ??

On your Gachinko machine, there might not be one but Taiyo Elec sometimes put it on the left side and just above the handle about a index finger's length away. Usually a smaller than the usual button.

As for the parlor name, it's all over the outside of the building in the scenes in which the man gets his cash prize. Check again.

[biigdaddy]

Thanks Lew! Great stuff!

Brian

[biigdaddy]

1. Wouldn't that be referred to as "rate" and not "speed"? Also, players don't actually use that button, only to stop the balls during a super reach when the memory is full. You can take your hand off the handle for the same effect anyway.

2. I don't think he'd be the owner as that parlor (Passage) is a relatively large chain, he is probably a customer. That particular location ranks to me as being a small-medium but, then, they didn't really show all of it (like the pachislo area, for example).

Sorry lew, I'm working off a lot of info that only pachinkers in Japan would know.

Re: Item 1 above and your comment about taking your hand off the handle for the same effect - Isn't a reason for using the button instead of taking your hand off the handle, to enable you stop the balls when the banked spins are max without losing the handle position for the "sweet spot"?

[rupan777]

Re: Item 1 above and your comment about taking your hand off the handle for the same effect - Isn't a reason for using the button instead of taking your hand off the handle, to enable you stop the balls when the banked spins are max without losing the handle position for the "sweet spot"?

Yes, but Japanese players tend to "jam" the handle thus allowing you to maintain the same position, give or take a little gravity.

[RKnarr01]

Rupan,

So they'd use a business card or something to prevent movement of the handle? Is there some type of rule against this?

[azlew]

I believe that biigdaddy is saying push the button to stop the balls from being shot thus slowing down the speed that the balls will enter the playfield when the banked spins are at max and then resuming (speeding up the flow from none,one at a time or letting them fly as fast as possible )by letting go of the button after one or more spins can be banked again. My pachiproshooter girlfriend does that all the time here and consistantly beats me as i just let them fly all the time and yes at times I jam the shooter so I can ring the bell for attention from the cocktail waitress .

[rupan777]

Yes but it's not strictly enforced unless you are using an item that damages the machine or is being used for some sort of unfair advantage. Some companies (like Kyoraku for example) acknowledge people doing this by putting in little divots into the back of the turning part of the handle just large enough for a pachinko ball to fit in and stop the handle without doing immediate damage to it.

[rupan777]

I believe that biigdaddy is saying push the button to stop the balls from being shot thus slowing down the speed that the balls will enter the playfield when the banked spins are at max and then resuming (speeding up the flow from none,one at a time or letting them fly as fast as possible )by letting go of the button after one or more spins can be banked again. My pachiproshooter girlfriend does that all the time here and consistantly beats me as i just let them fly all the time and yes at times I jam the shooter so I can ring the bell for attention from the cocktail waitress .

That's usually not relevant to players unless a super reach occurs though.

[azlew]

Hmmm one would think that the main object of playing pachinkos (probably especially video pachinkos) is to get the matchup on the (for example) video reels that is needed to reach bonus rounds etc? I can't see the point in rapidly shooting balls all over the place when you have all the spins banked. Maybe I am missing something here but I feel that my money would last a bit longer in a real parlor by playing it with the stop button and holding position on the shooter.

This is an interesting subject indeed

[rupan777]

Part of it is superstition but part of its is the potential to manipulate odds without physical manipulation of the playfield or the ROM. There are some machines that are said to "react" in the favor of lower odds if certain pockets are hit during certain times. This falls under the "kouryaku" category (eg it may be true or not) but you can believe that people usually don't play by continuously shooting a few balls then hitting the button.

[slotter]

Good points, Lew. Of course, when it's your own machine, let 'em fly and no biggie. In a parlor where I paid for my shots, I'd be a lot more careful and slower about sending those balls flying.

Looking forward to rupan's comments on this.

[azlew]

Yep I agree that shooting the balls as fast as you can makes sense when you have hit the fever and you need to get as many balls in the fever drawer or whatever it is called so you can win them balls as fast as possible!. But like I say I consistantly am creamed by her because she has total contol with the stop button and can shoot one ball at a time and get a higher percentage of spins thus reaching the fevers more and faster that I can with the same amount of balls started with (usually 200 ball contest). But to me it is a lot more fun to find the sweet spot and let the balls fly all the time.

I think it will be interesting if and when pachitalk ever has a convention as this would make a good contest

[rupan777]

Well, you guys have to remember that you do have the luxury of sitting all day and playing at your leisure then log into pachitalk.com after and drive your ferraris off in the sunset etc. When you're in the real-life parlors, you're lucky if you can find a halfway decent looking machine (win-wise), you only have an hour to play because you're on lunch break, you actually have a machine that's going to win etc. then you play them as fast as you can. Watch any video of a player in Japan and you'll see that's the norm.

BTW, this applies to pachislo too.

[RKnarr01]

Rupan is providing us with the info we never knew.

[slotter]

Yep, that scenario makes sense now that you describe it, Jon.

[RKnarr01]

Rupan,

so with pachislos would players just spin and stop the reels as fast as they can?

[azlew]

I see what you are saying there Rupan that even with all the parlors Japan has it would be a requirement to get in as many shots as you could in a limited situation like that.
I think we here just equate too much of what things are like around us instead of understandiing what a different society has to go through. The only thing that I have near me that forces playing like you are saying is the Indian Casinos and most of time when we go, you have to stand in line to play a slot machine and then you sit there it feed it and play it to the max as fast as you can.

[rupan777]

As a reference, check the video that Lew upped today. Those guys are all playing at the regular speed and rate as is played everyday in those parlors.

Yes, pachislo people also play pretty fast, sometimes without regard to the videos and action going on. If you understand the patterns well enough, you basically want to "skip" all the useless spins.

[MrGneiss]

Thanks for all the info. What a great discussion.

[biigdaddy]

As a reference, check the video that Lew upped today. Those guys are all playing at the regular speed and rate as is played everyday in those parlors.

Yes, pachislo people also play pretty fast, sometimes without regard to the videos and action going on. If you understand the patterns well enough, you basically want to "skip" all the useless spins.

My perception WAS the same as Lew - to get the best percentage of banked spins per quantity of balls by stopping the balls when the banked spins bank is full (i.e., most spins for your dollar). I say "WAS" until you brought up the idea above of ""skip" the useless spins". How do you know a spin is going to be useless in advance? :questionm

Isn't the spin what you need to get the "7's"? Or are you saying that by reading the kokuru (sp) (the term you introduced indicating advance notice of a reach or other event) that you KNOW the next spin will or will not be a "payoff" spin? So you don't care that your spin bank is always full? Are you advocating never stopping the shooting unless you are in a super reach? (and what is the definition of that?)

You are providing much food for thought.