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    Hi all,

    We are planning on manufacturing machines for restaurant and bar use.
    We would like to install the machine in bar, restaurant and some retail shop.

    Please give me your opinion about how you are interested, or how much these kinds of machine are in demand in USA market.

    The function of the machine:
    1. insert money
    2. the display above the machine shows how much points you get during the game
    3. when you finish the game, the ticket or medal will come out from the machine
    4. you will exchange the ticket or coin for drinks or something in the shop

    That would be great if you could give us some advice and information.
    And also if you would like to get it, please pre-order it in advance. It will take 2- 3 months to make and ship from Japan.

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    Default Re: Researching market for Pachinko and Pachislo machines for restaurant and bar

    what about using the Computer Pachinko concept but instead of free games for 100 points dispense a ticket..

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    I saw on your website awhile back that you were putting this together. I may be very interested in one depending on cost. Another thing I would be curious about is if I were to bring you a modern machine, what would the costs be like to convert it into one of these machines.
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    I'm not sure how much demand there would be for these, mostly because of how few people in this country know what pachis are..But I think they look really cool and if I saw one I know I'd be playing!!

    I guess my suggestions would be be very careful when picking the themes of the machines you use..The more mainstream/American the theme the better the chance of people playing would be..Even a sort of known anime theme here would get far less attention than a Star Wars, Matrix or other TV or Movie theme I think..Also making sure they had some very clear instructions on them would also probably help a lot since again, most people here have no idea what they are or how to play them!!

    How does the winning ticket thing work..Is it like the tickets all other redemption machines use here or is it just a single ticket..And if it is just a single thing..is it awarded by getting a certain amount of points??

    If it was possible I would think having a regular ticket dispenser would be best (since everyone already knows how they work and it would make it easier to integrate into locations that already had other redemption games) and then have it pay out a ticket like Mopar said, maybe ever hundred points or something??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moparformances View Post
    what about using the Computer Pachinko concept but instead of free games for 100 points dispense a ticket..
    Hi Moparformances

    What is the meaning of the Computer Pachinko concept?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Card Shark View Post
    I saw on your website awhile back that you were putting this together. I may be very interested in one depending on cost. Another thing I would be curious about is if I were to bring you a modern machine, what would the costs be like to convert it into one of these machines.
    The price will be around 1300 dollars excluding shipping. I would like to bring cabinets to USA, but I have heard it might be difficult to setup by myself. So to sell these kinds of machine, we will need pre-order from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGneiss View Post
    I'm not sure how much demand there would be for these, mostly because of how few people in this country know what pachis are..But I think they look really cool and if I saw one I know I'd be playing!!

    I guess my suggestions would be be very careful when picking the themes of the machines you use..The more mainstream/American the theme the better the chance of people playing would be..Even a sort of known anime theme here would get far less attention than a Star Wars, Matrix or other TV or Movie theme I think..Also making sure they had some very clear instructions on them would also probably help a lot since again, most people here have no idea what they are or how to play them!!

    How does the winning ticket thing work..Is it like the tickets all other redemption machines use here or is it just a single ticket..And if it is just a single thing..is it awarded by getting a certain amount of points??

    If it was possible I would think having a regular ticket dispenser would be best (since everyone already knows how they work and it would make it easier to integrate into locations that already had other redemption games) and then have it pay out a ticket like Mopar said, maybe ever hundred points or something??

    Thank you for your advice! I will make clear instructions for that!
    The ticket or coin can be redemption or single both. Like when you get 100 points, 1 ticket or 1 coin will come out from the machine then you can get something that is worth 100 points at the shop.

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    I think the the theme and spec of the machine would be important. As the resturant/machine owner, would they like back to back fever. Not good for the profit margin. Maybe a light/sweet spec might be better with smaller wins. Rather than nothing for hours then massive wins in a row. Also in that environment. Your looking at people playing for about 5 minutes. Not sitting in a parlour for hours. I always wonder what happens with these on fever. Do you get a mad rush of tickets like balls?



    I would set if up so you get so much time for a set prices say $1 for 2 minutes. Get a time extension for every pocket scored. 5 sec for the start. 10-15sec for the lower pockets. Then prise tickets per amount of balls in the ootari trapdoor on fever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Five Brothers TC View Post
    Hi Moparformances

    What is the meaning of the Computer Pachinko concept?

    this is a vid of a Computer pachinko.. insted of free games have it pay out a ticket.. (paying out a token sounds way better but people will keep tokens and not turn them in) the cost of a ticket is way less..

    as ya can see in the vid scoring a free game on one quarter is to easy.. so people would be geting beer or what ever the prize would be to easy.. but a higher score or adjusting the nails so the machine did not score so high are things easy to adjust..
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    Just my uneducated speculation but I don't know that a modern pachinko machine would do well here. First is the idea of pachinko which is relatively unknown and then the various themes. Many are interesting but then the characters are rendered into an overly cute cartoon likeness which them seem geared towards kids (from a Western perspective). I just don't think it would click with the average, gambling age American. Also the costs and hassle of having someone rent out balls, count them, etc, etc. Compare that to tabletop trivia machines, video poker machines, and such which are much less labor intensive. Sounds like too many other costs just to have a few pachinkos set up.
    Pachislo sounds more viable in that everyone here is at least familiar with slot machines and the skill stop gives the player the illusion of control so that's an attractive feature.
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    Do you have one up and running? I would love to see a video of it in action. I have a computer pachinko and it is one of my favorite machines due to the quicker games and scoring. Having a modern machine that played in a similar fashion would be very popular with my friends.
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    I'd think a modern pachi would be ok... IF the "other pockets" were loosened. Like for instance, on the three Eva machines I have there are 4 small pockets (3 to left, 1 to right of start pocket). So the players wouldn't be solely stuck with going for the start pocket and nothing else. You could conceivably do "ok" by hitting those now and then. On my Eva 5 machine (which is a total stingy b!tch) I've made it so I hit one of those every 60 balls or so. Evens things out a touch.

    You've given them the option then... be a wuss and go for the cheap stuff, or aim for the start pocket and go for the big win...

    Just a thought.

    extra blather... You know the "3 little pigs" modern that I bought for a friend on eBay a while back was set up pretty well in that respect. The pins were bent such that aiming for the right was the best way to get in the start pocket, and aiming left was a good way to steadily increase your ball count via the "lame" pockets. And talk about being a stingy machine. He's only fevered twice on it since September or whenever it was he got it.
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    That's why I though a cyclic machine with a timer. You can seal off the front trays. I saw a website in Japan selling covers to fit different frames.
    That way no ball hassles and counters. When the timers up. The shooter stops working. Your playing for time. And if hit fever win paper tokens/vouchers. Remember this is for a resturant not a casino.
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    one problem could be a fever...

    when in a fever, the player could win lots of tickets costing the bar / restaurant lots..

    probably why there are no modern "computer pachinkos"
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    none? Didn't candyflip buy 4 of them
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    The other thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is the legality of it all. Most jurisdictions have very strict rules on what is considered a gambling machine and what is a 'redemption' type machine. Just because pachinko machines have been designed to get around the Japanese gambling laws, doesn't mean that they will be classed as non-gambling in other countries. So you need to be 100% sure that your product fits into the right category for your target market, as otherwise you run the risk of heavy fines and the confiscation of the machine.

    I don't know how the laws are written for the various states in the US, but over here a modern fever type pachinko could never be classed as a 'game of skill' and be allowed to be licensed in the same class as 'redemption' machines, due to the randomness of the fever payouts.

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    I love the concept of a modern computer style pachinko. However, I think the way I have mine set up for home use works just fine. Primarily due to DaveRob's absolutely amazing dongle and having a ball lifter installed. The only thing I plan to do is some nail bending to make the machine play a little more loose. I think this will entertain my guests more when they are playing.

    I would still love to see a video of one of your machines in action. Do you have one up and running at your showroom? I am still planning on making a road trip there sometime after the holiday season is over and would love to try it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daverob View Post
    The other thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is the legality of it all. Most jurisdictions have very strict rules on what is considered a gambling machine and what is a 'redemption' type machine. Just because pachinko machines have been designed to get around the Japanese gambling laws, doesn't mean that they will be classed as non-gambling in other countries. So you need to be 100% sure that your product fits into the right category for your target market, as otherwise you run the risk of heavy fines and the confiscation of the machine.

    I don't know how the laws are written for the various states in the US, but over here a modern fever type pachinko could never be classed as a 'game of skill' and be allowed to be licensed in the same class as 'redemption' machines, due to the randomness of the fever payouts.
    That's what I was thinking when I wrote my original post. I think over here those machines would be considered a form of gambling. After all, that's what their original intent was.
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    Reminds me of the time in my home state when video poker machines were allowed in restaurants/bars. At the time, the max number allowed per location was 3 and had to be cordoned off in their own adults only room. Bars are already adults only so the machines typically were placed sort of out of the way. The machines were/are very lucrative but there was massive opposition to their use-mainly from various family and church groups.
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    Thank you for all your comments and advice!
    We currently do not have the machine in US office, but I would like to import them from Japan sometime.
    All your comments are really helpful and useful to me. I think I need to get over some points to sell them in US market.

    I was wondering that the computer game is the one that do not have a shooter but some buttons to control the game?
    I know the machine that we do not need to use pachinko balls for play. When I insert money and push a button, the game starts without pachinko balls like American slot machines. All I do is just looking at the machine and waiting for jackpot.
    Is this the computer game you are talking about?
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