An unsual issue with a old pachinko machine

[Norrec]

Heya folks, I just got an old Pachinko machine (A Nishijin Sophia Shiroi-kamome, from what the small worn metallic blue sticker on the front says), and everything seems to be working--execpt the winning balls aren't actually discarded, instead the balls just stack on the jackpot lever (not the see-saw)and not falling through the the chute. I'll get pics of the offending section when I have access to a camera. If you know of any solution that would be awesome, I really what to get the mechanics fully functional before I rewire the machine.

[JACKSJE4]

Welcome to PachiTalk - the site that never closes!! You have come to the right place to get the help you need. We are a very friendly bunch and are glad to help you with your machine issues.

First and foremost, the suppport we provide is not free. You MUST pay us with pictures!! We love lots and lots of pictures. They do wonders to help us fully understand your issues and spot problems, as well as feed our curiosity about your machine.

Now that we have that out of the way, then next thing you must do is watch this very helpful video created by one of our members:

http://www.pachitalk.com/forums/vint...del-video.html

It will explain how your machine works and the sequence of events that must occur for proper jackpot payout and operation. It will also cover the basics of fixing common problems. Hopefully it will address some of your questions and give you insight into the problem with your machine. If you are still having issues after watching the video, post some close up pictures of the back of your machine (including the problem area) and we will gladly jump in and help you out.

Again, Welcome to the forum!! Visit us daily and post often!

Jeff

[JACKSJE4]

Please forgive me... I have been working with Model A machines all day and had "Model A" on the brain! From your description it sounds like you have a model B machine (this is where pictures REALLY help! ) Here is the instructional video for Model B machines:

http://www.pachitalk.com/forums/vint...l-b-video.html

I hope this helps you understand what may be going on. It almost sounds like your top ball hopper doesn't have enough balls loaded in it to allow the machine function correctly. The machines are designed to shut down when the top hopper gets low.

Anyhow, let us know if further assistance is needed after watching the video.

[Norrec]

'Sall good, I found what went wrong when I watched the vid. Thank you very much for sending that my way!

[JACKSJE4]

She's a beauty!!

Thanks for the pics!!

[Norrec]

Just one more question, is leans back ALOT, is that the way these are meant to be? or is that a sight that I need to renforce the frame a bit, I'ld say that is leans about 17 degrees off of 90.

[JACKSJE4]

There has been much debate on this site about whether Pachinko machines should sit at an angle or not, however my belief and experience is that they should tilt backwards at a 2 degree angle. I think the tilt helps keep the balls against the play field while they are in play (and away from the glass) and it helps them to exit out the bottom of the play field if they miss a win pocket. A 17 degree tilt is too much, so I think your frame needs to be tightened up a bit.

[hanabi]

Welcome to PachiTalk Norrec

Glad to hear you have managed to sort the problem with your pachinko

[Rival]

Shiroi Kamome? You say the "small-worn blue metalic sticker" says that, are you talking about the real small reflective rectangle set in the right of the Nishijin badge on the ball feeder tray door? If so, that would be very surprising to me. Your machine is a 1973 model, and I have looked at dozens of similar 1973 and 1974 models and in every case that little sticker was either missing or smooth (worn?) with no text at all. It would be a nice piece of information to know that these machines should be catagorized as Shiroi Kamome (white bird) models, which honestly this would explain quite a bit.

Anyone else ever see the Shiroi Kamome printing on the Nishijin badge shown up there on a 1973 or 1974 machine? I love this kind of information! It's like being a detective and an archeologist all in one!

[Norrec]

Shiroi Kamome? You say the "small-worn blue metalic sticker" says that, are you talking about the real small reflective rectangle set in the right of the Nishijin badge on the ball feeder tray door? If so, that would be very surprising to me. Your machine is a 1973 model, and I have looked at dozens of similar 1973 and 1974 models and in every case that little sticker was either missing or smooth (worn?) with no text at all. It would be a nice piece of information to know that these machines should be catagorized as Shiroi Kamome (white bird) models, which honestly this would explain quite a bit.

Anyone else ever see the Shiroi Kamome printing on the Nishijin badge shown up there on a 1973 or 1974 machine? I love this kind of information! It's like being a detective and an archeologist all in one!

It was HARD lemme tell you, the sticker was there, but the center was almost unreadable, but yes, the sticker itself on the feeder says "shiroi-kamome".

[Norrec]

...in every case that little sticker was either missing or smooth (worn?) with no text at all.

the latter was true for mine, but by shining a light and finding the right angle, I was able to see the letters (to which I can now confirm that the phrase is indeed "shiroi-kamome")

[Moparformances]

Welcome to Pachitalk

glad ya got your machine up and running

[JACKSJE4]

Anyone else ever see the Shiroi Kamome printing on the Nishijin badge shown up there on a 1973 or 1974 machine? I love this kind of information! It's like being a detective and an archeologist all in one!

I am restoring one now - a 1974 Shiroi Kamome with the worn sticker. Are these that unusual?

[Norrec]

Perhaps the phrase "shiroi-Kamome" is the series name for the model B machines, if you guys have some model B machine with the sticker in place, see if it says Shiroi-Kamome.

[Rival]

Its not unusual, I was just under the impression that the Shiroi-Kamome designation began in 1975. It appears now that it is very likely that what we commonly refer to as a model "B" Nishijin may more appropriately be called Shiroi-Kamome. It's just that the letters wear off easily on the badges for the 1973-1974 models and no one knew. Incidentally, Shiroi Kamome translates to "white bird" or "white seagull", a symbol displayed on the machines from 1975 forward.

I just verified on a 1973 with the pink Superdeluxe DX lower badge that the Nishijin feeder tray badge does indeed say Shiroi Kamome. Its just really really really hard to see. I am curious if the ones from the Tokyo plant (the 1973-1975 "A" models, or "recyclers") have that designation. I don't currently own any to inspect, they appear to be far more uncommon than the "B" models in the USA.

[Rival]

Guess what else now makes perfect sense? The background designations for the "B" models in 1973-1975.

1973 = 48S-A through 48S-F
1974 = 49S-01 through 49S-06
1975 = S-07 through S-12

The "S" is for the Shiroi Kamome model! They dropped the "S" designation for playfields in 1976, probably because they no longer produced "A" models at that point.

[Norrec]

where is the code located on the machine, pray tell?

[Rival]

Open the front loader tray door, look in the lower left of the playfield. Yours will say 48S-F in blue letters. It is the "part number" of the playfield graphic design.

[JACKSJE4]

The one I am restoring says: 9S-03

[Rival]

A few examples for the curious:

http://pachinkoplanet.com/zencart/in...ndex&cPath=3_8