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    Default broken glass when shipped by plane from japan?

    hi guys/gals,

    has anyone else had trouble with glass getting broken on air transport?

    apparently, Kiai thinks that it can be a problem and usually drills a hole between the two glass layers.

    the Matrix machine has wiring and lights in the in between layer, so he cannot make the usual hole.

    I told him that I had a hard time believing that the pressure difference could really break the glass, figuring that the glass is made to withstand people pounding on it.

    is it really a risk and worth him shipping the glass by sea?

    since I may go ahead and have him fly it here, I may be doing my own experiment soon... and cutting replacement glass?

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    Default Re: broken glass when shipped by plane from japan?

    Hmmm... I guess this one could go either way. He probably has experience that taught him that lesson... but if you are not able to wait, I have no doubt that you can make any repairs that may be required.
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    Default Re: broken glass when shipped by plane from japan?

    If the two panes of glass have an air tight seal between them, then there may be a concern, however planes are pressurized at a10,000 ft altitude, so I would be skeptical that the air between the panes would expand that much to cause the glass to break. I would expect the rubber seal to blow first.

    Here in Denver (5,280 ft) we have issues with dual pane windows that are manufactured at lower altitude. When they are shipped "up" to us, we typically see the seals leak air after a few years and moisture seeps in between the panes. Never heard of dual pane windows exploding, even in the higher altitudes.

    Again, if the two pieces of glass are sealed together, then there may be a small risk, but if they are not sealed and air can flow freely between the panes of glass, then I personally don't see any need to drill holes.

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    Default Re: broken glass when shipped by plane from japan?

    I personally wouldn't risk it. If Kiai can't drill a hole due to wiring and lights, it might make replacing any broken glass very difficult.
    Get the glass sent seperatly and well insured.

    Although I have taken beer bottles in the hold of the plane and they are sort of pressurised.
    That made it ok on 3 planes to our final destination.
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    I don't think the concern here is pressure difference so much as handling. I don't care what anyone says or the amount of "fragile" tickers on boxes, those handlers throw boxes around like it's a contest.
    To me, pressure would only be an issue if the glass panes are hermetically sealed so as not to allow pressure to equalize. I doubt that is the case.
    Anyway, I've had 3 machines come from Japan by EMS(air) and all of them had both panes broken in each despite my paying for extra packaging. Judging by the shape of the new boxes that were used, there was some seriously rough handling during their transit and the glass was ground down to insure that it got in every nook and cranny.
    2 of my arrange balls from YJA are ones that as far as I know are the only ones like them in the US, so it's a good source. But it's always a pricey gamble.
    I don't know about moderns but if the glass can be removed then I'd ship without it.
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    I would go the safe way and go by sea, but, if you can't wait to get it thats a chance you'll have to take
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    well. you know how I just can't wait to get my hands on the Matrix. I told kiai to go ahead and ship.

    I will have to ask some of my engineer friends about sealed double pane glass and airplanes. I could see what Jeff says about a slow leak and failure of the seals, but I have a hard time believing the glass would break from the pressure difference.

    I agree with emmadog that's it is probably the gorrillas that do the package man handling that are the problem. here, let me drop that for you...

    of course, kiai does that special wrap with bubble wrap on the OUTSIDE of the package, which maybe makes it harder for them to grab and throw?

    fingers and toes crossed. will report back the results of this experiment in the next week.
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    Well again, I can't see why the panes would be sealed. It would be an added manufacturing expense and I don't know why there would be a need other than to keep dust out. But you can still have a good seal to repel dust but at the same time is not airtight.
    On the boxes I've had shipped to me, they have those plastic cinch straps which work great to keep the box together but unfortunately are also natural throw handles.
    I woulda shipped by air also. My impatience aside, as I understand it there is no tracking capability by slo-boat??? Too risky for me.

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    I guess in a week we will have the answer.
    Wish you the best Hope it gets there safe.
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    it was me that Kiai had the experiance with the way he packs a machine the gorillas would have trouble breaking it and there were no balls left loose ect in the machine after a few enquireys thats what he was told and how to cure it it isnt rubber seals in the glass its the silycone that they glue it in with that forms a rubber seal it was a lumina glass that blew on us
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    Oh wow The Matrix! Very cool and hope the glass arrives safely.
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    Good luck to you. If they don't break it you always have the local delivery to contend with. UPS has been horrible up here and Fed EX has been great. I am sure everybody has had their good and bad. Good Luck on Yours.
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    Default Re: broken glass when shipped by plane from japan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lt Teddy View Post
    If they don't break it you always have the local delivery to contend with.
    I was chatting with a fellow student on my Japanese course this evening about this very subject (His wife is Japanese and they're always getting parcels sent over from her parents).

    In Japan the postal and delivery services seem to have a lot more respect for your items, and if something is marked 'Fragile' they will take a lot of extra care with it.

    This generally means that Japanese shippers don't see the need for the excess of packaging materials that are required to allow your parcel to survive the delivery agents we have over here, who when encountering a 'Fragile' label on a package take it as a personal challenge to see if they can get the contents to rattle inside the box.

    It's lucky we have Kiai to repackage our new toys, so at least they have a fighting chance of making it to us in one piece.

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    I've had three machines shipped over by plane and haven't had one broken glass yet.

    I would be more worried about the rough treatment by the handlers.
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    Default Re: broken glass when shipped by plane from japan?

    the glass arrived intact.

    I was quite lucky, too, since the box that kiai used was too soft and was squished in on the sides. It was quite lucky that the tray or upper lights did not get cracked.

    he did put crossing pieces of tape on both sides of the cell window, and they were fine.

    I will email kiai to let him know about our luck and that we need a sturdier box next time, once I get the Matrix booted up tomorrow
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    Wonderful!
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    Good to hear there was no damage.
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