RELAY STATUS BOARD DO YOU GUYS WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT DOES?

[gerrimat]

Gang at Cheers,
I have completed the mapping analysis of the relay status board Rev 3
Part Number S1655aP1.

Boy to I have some new goodies for you kids...

First I have to convert the output from my schematic package into a
jpg or bmp file that you all can read.

Second I found that there is an external reset signal available thru
one of the relays that you need to connect + and - 24 Vdc to a pair of
pins and you can reset the machines after the bonus blows out
'without having to open up the machine and trip the switch on the
power supply... How's this for a kick...

Further I can tell you which pins on the lower connector to hook up to
to count your coins in and out and where to tap the 24 volts for
driving the external signals for lighting up a set of tower lights
or driving that external reset relay, or the coin counters.

Further I can tell you where you can monitor the reel stops from a
remote point to tell when the reel stop commands have been given.

I'm not sure why the parlors want to monitor these states but I know
how to connect up to the board to do the monitoring.

I also have a full Bill of Materials with all of the part values detailed
and there's magic in one of the IC's, Its not just an IC... It contains
7 NPN transistors with a common emitter. (For those techies out there.)

Now there are 15 lines that transfer from the top connector that
interfaces to the CPU board and pass through this PCB without activating
any functions on this board. At all times during machine operation
these signals are sitting high at 24Vdc. My suspicion is that these
are machine 'cpu fault' signals that only go to ground when a critical
fault on the cpu occurs. This item is only conjector at this time and
I will know more once I map out the CPU board.

That is if you cats still are interested in knowing what these machines do?

Now once this circuit is up on the forum for everyone to access its will
be time for someone else to reciprocate and add another piece to the
puzzle for everyone else to share in.

Do you Cats want the schematics... Affirmative Responses will be
appreciated...

[gwarzin]

Great work. Love to see the schematic.

Were you aware that some of the other relays that you can monitor through that 8 pin connecter are activated for big bonus, regular bonus, and CT bonus? I think the CT bonus only works on revision 3, but I'm not sure.

[jeffmo]

Me Too....Please Love to see what I could do with it

[RKnarr01]

what type of device would you need to reset the machine without having to open it?

[TANK]

youd need a switch just like the one your pulling out of your power suppy!
gerrimat take a look at what machines i have at the bottom of my post and i'll pull any boards you need and ship them to you!!

[RKnarr01]

tank do you think you'd be able to hook a push switch up to the machine?

[TANK]

knarly dude : just hook up a wire to each side of the reset switch in the power supply and run them to a push button on the outside of the machine that way you can use either the inside or the outside switch depending on your mood.

[gerrimat]

To connect up the External Reset the secret is RELAY 6 on the pcb.
This relay grounds out Pin 1 on the top black connector CN1.

To trigger this relay you need to tap 24vdc from either side of the FUSE
F1 and then take this voltage to some kind or Normally open PUSH
BUTTON. Then you take the other side of your push button and wire
it to Pin 7 On Connector CN4 the 8 pin white connector on the bottom
of the pcb. Take Pin 8 of CN4 and jumper wire it over to Pin 4 on
Connector CN2 this is a Ground Common.

Push the button and the relay will ground Pin 1 on the connector.

This signal normally sits high and when you ground it you have a
high to low normal reset line.

You can bypass this whole need to trigger the relay but just tapping
the ground line through your switch and ground Pin 1 directly. It will]
achieve the same result with out the need to fiddle with the 24 volts.

Hope this keeps some of you kids off the street and out of playing in
traffic.

The whole reason that the casinos use 24 volt power to run these relays
is for line loss as well as efficency. At higher voltage you need lower
current to trigger the relays and they can take voltage loss due to
wire resistance without affecting the operation of the systems.

Low Voltage 5 volt signals would be seriously decayed over 1000 ft of
casino distance.

Hope this helps and here is the VIOXX WARNING: Use this at your
own risk... Now go off like a bunch of good little PachiManiacs and Play.

[RKnarr01]

gerrimat is there a way to illustrate that with pics?

[gerrimat]

WARNING DO NOT GROUND PIN 1 as I stated in my message.

That is a Typo.. ITS PIN 3 on the CN1 Connector that is the reset line.

I had typed a longer message but it got clipped off when my dsl line
crashed.

Relay RLY6 if you control that will garentee proper operation.

As for an illustration.... The thing right now is the schematic.

The board looks like this...

---------------------------------------------------------------

2 |-----------------------------| 30
|_____________________|
1 3 29

If you short Pin 2 to 3 you will activate the reset.

Pin 1 is 24vdc power DO NOT SHORT THIS PIN TO GROUND.

Pin 2 is the first pin on the upper edge of the connector opposite
Pin 1.

Pin 2 has a wide trace going to is a big fat trace on the back of the board
Pin 1 has a narrower 1/16" trace going to it.

And Pin 3 next to Pin 1 has a thin trace going to it.

There may be some issues reseting a machine that has not hit the
big bonus yet. I can't be sure about what set of conditions are
required to properly use this line. Please be careful.

[gerrimat]

I have the full assignment map for Connector CN3 printed on
the schematic. Also I have identified as many individual
wires on the drawing as I have accumlated data for todate.

I found that I will have to convert the drawing from my Orcad to
DXF read it in Autocad and convert it again to a PDF before you
can all read it with Acrobat Reader. This is the cleanest most
readable copy available when done with this method.

The circuit sheet is B size 11 by 17 so you do want a good readable
copy.

I'm working on it... BUt its late and I am tired from all the fiddling with'
the pcb I did today. Also, I want to get the board back into my
machine so that I can play with the machine... First thing tommorow.

I'll get the schematic up as fast as I can... Don't get your panties in
a knot anyone... I promised and I always keep my promises.

[Firewire]

Let me know if you need me to host the image.

[Czyotto]

I installed an in token counter and an out token counter on my Babel. I am only able to get the out token counter to work. So maybe after you have the plans I may be able to get the in counter to work.

[TR]

Do you Cats want the schematics... Affirmative Responses will be
appreciated...

You bet. Great work.

[logicprobe]

Gerrimat, you already know my answer to the question of "Do you want it?"

FEED ME!!! 8-)

Now... I didn't get that power supply out because of a crazy hectic week. Will you still want it now that you have your own "toy" to tinker with for now? Just say the word, man.

[huffb01]

LOVE to see the Schematic....Thanks for all the hard work.

Brian

[gwarzin]

Here's what I was thinking about doing:

1. Run leads from the "coin in" and "Regular Bonus" pins on the interface board on all my machines to one central point.

2. Since the relays on the interface board isolate the machines, there would be no problem with simply connecting all the "coin in" wires together and all the RB wires together.

3. Use a computer to monitor the "coin in" and "RB". You could use the printer port or any of a number of off-the-shelf" I/O modules.

4. Use that data to build up a Progress Jackpot that would be won by, let's say, the tenth person to hit a Regular Bonus.

You could add 1 cent to the jackpot for every coin played. The count wouldn't be perfect. Because all the "coin in" lines were tied together, anytime 2 or more people registered a coin in at the same time, it would only count 1. But the effect would still be what you want for a progressive jackpot. The more people played the higher the jackpot would go. No one would notice (or care about) a few missed counts.

I think you'd pay on a RB instead of a BB because with most machines, setting them at 6 increases the odds of hitting a BB more than it does of hitting an RB. (But, you do have relays for both RB and BB so you could do want you want - even counting both types of bonus rounds.)

The idea of having it pay off only on every 10th RB is to allow time for the progressive jackpot to build up and to make it a more special event than just hitting a RB or BB.

So, the computer counts the coins in, builds up the progress jackpot, and displays a scrolling number showing the current size of the jackpot. When the 10th RB is hit the computer goes crazy, maybe even turning on some of those Walmart rotating beacons. Since there's likely to be only one RB at a time, there would be no problem figuring out which was the winning machine. Just follow the noise and lights.

[Utopia1dc]

gwarzin-

That sounds like a good idea, but I'd make it more like every 50th (or even 25th) RB to make even more special! But this is a great idea. :-)

[gwarzin]

You can actually fine tune things any way you like. It could be every 10th, or 50th, or it could even be somewhat random. With every RB the computer could just generate a random number and 1 time out of 100 (or 50, or 10) you would win.

It could even require some complex pattern. Like and RB on nay machine, followed by a BB on any machine , followed by an RB.

The possibilites are endless.

[delphicoder]

gwarzin,
cool idea.