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    Default Diana pocket repair

    So, here's the broken pocket that was discussed in this thread:

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    This is a unique pocket (for me anyway) as it is a 'pass through' pocket and it's all plastic. The inside of the pocket has several parts to it... one of which is broken. I've attached a few photos and they are: The front, the back (all together), removed two screws and pulled it in half, then with the parts 'exploded' and finally the broken part.

    The way the pocket works is that the ball drops through along a 'double pocket' rotor that then turns the 'spiral shaft' which has the slot in it that moves the 'T-bar' up and down that opens and closes the wings. As you can see in the last photo the two 'ears' on the piece is broken. On the front is a 'dot tab' that fits in the spiral slot and on the back there are two 'dot tabs' that serve as guides to keep the piece moving straight and vertical.

    So... you now know what I know. I was first thinking I could cut off the top of the T piece and then glue on a toothpick (ha... yes that's my idea) then I could trim it down to the right size. Unfortunately, one of the 'dot tabs' that fits in the vertical slot is at the very top of that section. Maybe a thin metal piece super glued... ???

    So.. the adventure begins.

    Soon to follow... my experiments and hopefully success in photo detail!
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    Default Re: Diana pocket repair

    interesting tulip ya have there..

    i have a pass threw tulip but its more of a normal tulip.. it is unusual in the fact it will take one ball to open it and two balls to close it back up..

    The first ball opens it by passing threw.. then the second ball goes in and gets held in the back side.. then the third ball enters it closes the tulip then the second and third ball are drope into the back to pay there jackpots..

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    Default Re: Diana pocket repair

    if you have a non broken one from the other tulip, you could probably machine a new one out of aluminum, drilling and inserting necessary pins from steel. or, you could use a 3D printer... there are sites online that will take your 3D diagram and print for you.

    or, you could use one of the casting methods and "pour" your own. an acrylic casting would be strong enough. I had meant to eventually cast a new ball dump switch for my first powerflash and even bought mold stuff and resin, but had not gotten to that project.

    if I get to my casting before you remake that part, I can send you some extra materials. or, if you want to try this method, I can send you the stuff to try first.
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    Ok, here's what I am currently trying. I took a piece of flashing metal and cut a strip. I then used emory cloth to 'rough up' the top of the broken piece. I think used model cement to attach the large strip to the broken piece. Once it dried, I used my side cutters to trim the metal down to fit. I did some preliminary testing and it appears to work. I then put it all back together and tested it with a ball and it appears to work correctly.

    I have no idea how well this 'fix' will hold up. I am currently cleaning all the back components and should be able to fully test sometime in the very near future. If it works but the glue doesn't hold, I will try again with super glue.

    Thanks to those who offered replacement pockets! I will try to make this one work but may look at offers if I can't make it work consistantly and reliably..
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    Default Re: Diana pocket repair

    if the model cement doesn't hold up, use GOOP. it will stick to anything and give a little movement, too.
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    I started using plastic weld from the automotive dept.
    dries cream color, has a 3500psi rating and is excellent for plastic to metal
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    can u drill a small hole threw both pieces??? a dab of epoxy in a threw the hole will hold like a rivet... two holes would be better if possable...

    just an idea. if theres room
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    Default Re: Diana pocket repair

    Great ideas all. If the model cement doesn't hold I think I will try Ebb's suggestion next. I like the idea of drilling hole.. but am extremely limited in space and one of the guiding 'dot tabs' is located right in the middle of the Cross Bar section which I think would prevent drilling.

    I hope to finish cleaning the back and making the required parts to test it this evening. If so.. I should be able to run some balls through it to see how the pocket holds up to regular game play. If I don't get to it tonight... it may be next week before the full stress test can be done.

    I wonder why this pocket is named 'Diana'? Any one know and/or want to make a WAG?
    Rusty Key

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    Default Re: Diana pocket repair

    Well, the first attempt at repair didn't work. The pocket worked fine as long as the balls were falling through the center section, but after a few balls dropped on the 'wings' it caused the metal bar to pop off. I was afraid this would happen. The metal bar provides the open and closing function but it also is the 'brace' that keeps the wings from flopping all the way down. Thus.. it takes constant hits and stress.
    I think my next attempt will be Ebb's suggetion of PermaPoxy as it appears to be suitable for a plastic to metal bond. The clearance inside is barely enough room for the thin metal bar so I will not be able to put a screw through it.
    Next update should be Friday...
    Rusty Key

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    Default Re: Diana pocket repair

    Make something that will work, then cast it in resin

    That or get some styrene from the hobby store and make one that's all plastic

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    It's a little less forgiving then clear epoxy. Don't trust the 5 min work time. 2-3min and it started to set up
    It's comes out the dual container pretty quick too.

    rock solid when cured.
    I think I have a machine with that tulip. Do you need to see pictures of the inside?
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    Default Re: Diana pocket repair

    Thanks for info Ebb.

    I don't need photos of the inside.. I have figure out how it all fits.

    And yes, Compirate, making a 'new part' is a option that I am leaving open. It's just that this little part has a several specific nuances (sp?) that will make it difficult to replicate.
    Rusty Key

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    Funny thing is my machine arrived the same way.tulip wide open I was fortunate that it was just dislodged and not broken.
    Good luck
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    It is fixed and holding!

    Knock, knock, knock ... On wood! Baby! Woo hoo hoo hoo...

    Sorry got carried away there...

    Anyway, I used the same type of epoxy that Ebb suggested although not the same brand. It does appear to be a lot stronger and I have high hopes that it will hold for the long haul. The final position of the cross bar was a fraction off causing the left wing to be a bit out of position when it is closed. However, it doesn't affect game play so I'm good with that. The pocket opens and closes as it should and falling balls have yet to pop the bond loose.

    Thanks again for the all the suggestions and encouragement!
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    That's a beauty of a machine Rusty! Congrats on fixing the tulip!
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    Hi, wondering how your experiment worked out. I have a similar although not as "broken" (if broken has degrees). And trying to figure out the best way to fix it.
    I posted images at pachinko - a set on Flickr so you can see what I have to work with.

    My concern in fabricating were the same as yours, not a lot of clearance which would cause the repair to stop it from moving and strength of the fix to hold up over time.

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    to Pachitalk!

    Member wrkey hasn't been on in a while. I myself have yet to deal with this issue so I am not your best means of help at the moment.

    Just thought I'd post the pics.

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    Default Re: Diana pocket repair

    Quote Originally Posted by ebb View Post
    I started using plastic weld from the automotive dept.
    dries cream color, has a 3500psi rating and is excellent for plastic to metal
    Haven't seen this particular epoxy...but it sounds a lot like this. which is everywhere!finally 002.jpg About 15 minutes working time, 2 hrs to cure. Works great! Refrence to posts #6 & #12. His pics didn't follow his quote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rnikula View Post
    Hi, wondering how your experiment worked out. I have a similar although not as "broken" (if broken has degrees). And trying to figure out the best way to fix it.
    I posted images at pachinko - a set on Flickr so you can see what I have to work with.

    My concern in fabricating were the same as yours, not a lot of clearance which would cause the repair to stop it from moving and strength of the fix to hold up over time.
    i have had some great luck with epoxies as well.. build it up and then grind it into the shape ya need.. takes time but its probably the only way ya will get it fixed..

    and of course

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