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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    There's some one in toronto Canada doing it legally, and he's making money hand over fist. City hall was not happy with him and tried to stop him cold but failed.
    he's not breaking any gaming laws!
    This is how he's doing it.
    When you walk in, one part of the store is filled with pashislo slot machines.
    All on stands ready to be played. The other part of the store has black jack tables.
    Just buy a large soft drink, hot dog, hambuger or fries.
    Buy one large soft drink for $1.50 and get 150 free tokens.
    Buy one hotdog for $2.00 and 200 free tokens and so on.
    Customer can take the token's and play or not. Its up to them.
    The tokens have no cash value and no prize value they are worthless.
    so if you win big on the machine and have a tray full of tokens, those token
    are worthless. No cash value No prize value.
    NO GAMING LAW'S BROKEN.
    All the machine's are for sale too.
    Let the customer play till his heart content. They mite end up buying one or two!.
    Every day his store is filled to the limit with customer's playing the machines.
    He's selling over 100 machines a week out of his store i hear.
    At x-mas time even more.
    Plus all the money from the hotdog, hambuger and soft drink sales.
    You need more than 150 tokens to have some real fun with the machines.
    The same with the blackjack tables.
    This is how you bypass the gaming law's.
    I don't no if this will work in the US.
    Your law's may be diffrent
    But you should check on it.
    You could make some big bucks on this one.
    This guy sure is.

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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    Hot Dog Shadows Gaming and hot dog stand is ready to open at the flea market , Darn only one catch you can't sell anything to eat there as concesion stand would have a fit , Maby sell MRE for 5 bucks and give 200 tokins for fun playing , Sumthin to think about or one token for each 10 cents spent on purchase
    Min Brad you thinkin what Im thinking at Medina flea market
    These are my opinions and no body elses and you can't have them

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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    Hey is this guy related to Robert6161
    These are my opinions and no body elses and you can't have them

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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    Legally or not, there is a arcade in the next county over. There are pachislo's inside the arcade. And nobody has bothered them yet.
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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    That bit is pretty clever, but i doubt it would fly in al the states. if the prices of the items aren't significantly different then their retail value, then the extra tokens really are free, and if they can't be exchange,d then yeah, iy's not gambling. However, and this is the big but... you can't accept the tokens for ANYTHING else but playing those pachis and the blackjack. As long as the only purpose of them is for the mock gambling, then you JUST MIGHT be in the clear. BUT, they can't just be pachi tokens. they would have to be custom tokens that have no value for anything else. You see pachi tokens DO have value, as they can be used in any pachi machine. So if he's using pachi tokens, there is where he went wrong, and the law CAN get him, IMHO.

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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    I was having a blonde moment guys... good lord, no no no... sorry, my bad. I put in 80 not 800 ($40)gee wiz... I must be a blonde wanna be... geesh....

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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    This is how the guy in toronto is getting away with it.
    All he's saying is the token's in his store can not be exchanged for cash value
    or prize value. So if you can't claim them for cash or a prize there is no
    ilegall gambling taking place. And he is not selling the token's for the machine's
    He's giving them away for free when you buy a softdrink or hotdog.
    No law's broken their.
    And he's not using pachi token's. He's using token's that can be used
    in any coinop machine that will take token's.
    Unless that token is stamped (for use in pachislo slot machine's only) he may
    be in for it with the law with his blackjack tables.
    But to date I have not seen any token's with this type of stamping on them.
    seen them with japanese writing on then. stars and tigers
    and other stuff on then,
    But never with (for use in pachislo slot machine's only)
    No law's beening broken their too.
    Toronto city hall may not like it.
    But this guy is breaking no gaming law's at all.
    His store is still up and running.
    Like I said,
    I don't no if this will work in the US.
    your law's may be diffrent.
    But you should check on it!.

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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    wheels are turning all over pachi land!
    hootiehoo

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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    ....blonde moment.....what'd ya mean by that??? BTW did I mention that I was a blonde...(or maybe my posts gave it away)...
    Dawn

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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    If I were able to buy food, for say, $1.50 and be given 150 tokens for free, I'd be there every day for lunch - and the Pachislo tokens would go home with me! That's a bunch of "change" to buy 150 Pachislo tokens for home use...

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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    I Had An Idea Much Like This,
    Since Chuck E Cheese's can have redemption games for prizes,Why can't Pachislo s fall under a redemption game?
    (you would have to have a ticket dispenser installed on each machine thou.)with each win, the dispenser would spit out
    tickets along with tokens.the tokens are only good for free play,thou the tickets are for redemption to prizes. someone
    could offer a casino alternative and make a nice living to boot.this could also be done more styles of games like video poker or
    keno too.The only difference would be video poker or keno dont pay out tokens for free plays.This Is my version of a adult arcade.

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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    I think the biggest legal problems in a lot of (most?) states would be that Pachislos are totally random when it comes to winning and would probably fall under gambling laws, where as redemption machines have to have an element of 'skill' to get around those laws..


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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    Member Scooby53 has pachislo in his arcade in Pennsylvania.

    Is it gambling if the only reward is tokens? I'm going to wager YES in every US state and territory.
    The government will want a way to tax it.

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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    Those skill crane games have odds settings.... you know, where you drive the claw around and it drops and grabs onto a plush toy. There is a setting in there for how strong the solenoid is on the claw. That's why you grab a toy perfectly and it still drops sometimes.

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    Default Re: Can I legally operate a Pachislo parlor?

    Quote Originally Posted by matt1124 View Post
    Those skill crane games have odds settings....
    There's two types of skill cranes. One which has controls that regulate the strength of the grab and the strength of the hold (sometimes one control for both, or two separate adjustments). Every time the crane is played, the strength settings are the same, so this is a 'skill' crane, and it's 100% the 'skill' of the player which determines whether they win a prize or not at those particular strength settings.

    Having worked in an arcade (where we had about 20 of these cranes), it's quite a fine art setting up these machines. If the grab is too weak, players will just walk away after one play. So you have to set them up so that they're strong enough for players to think they've got a chance of winning and to keep playing, but not too strong, that they can easily empty the machine. I always found the best adjustment is a fairly strong initial grab, so you can pick a toy up if you position the crane right (or at least move it if the positioning is off), but a slightly weaker 'hold' so it's likely to be dropped while the crane is moving. If the toy is moved just a little closer to the exit, then players will think they're making progress and seem happy to keep playing until they finally win, and when they win they don't seem that bothered that they've spent twice the store price for the toy playing the machine.

    In some territories there is a second type of crane. This one has sensors to determine whether a prize has been won or not, and the operator sets a 'vend price' for the prizes. Once the machine has had enough plays to reach the 'vend price' the crane grab strength slowly increases until a prize has been won. It then drops the grab strength back down until it's had enough plays for another prize to be won. If by luck someone manages to win even when the strength is weak, the machine will weaken the grab further, to prevent another prize being won until it's back up to it's 'vend price' average. Depending on local laws, this type can be considered to be gambling and may be prohibited.

    Over here in the UK where both types are allowed, it's handy to be able to recognize which is which, as if you see people winning on one of the first type, then you're more likely to win as well. If the machine is the second type, then you wouldn't want to play just after a prize has been won.

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    Wow. I thought I was just rubbish at playing them That explains a lot.
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