Lord of the Rings Pachinko Problem

[millermaster1]

Ok, just did a cell swap with my old Fever Queen to LOTR. I have a wire with no where to go and I have one other problem...The side payout pockets are not working The start pocket works fine along with everything else. Is this because of the one wire? Is this something else?

[Youngjedi]

The color of the plug will match the color of the socket. It looks like it will go into the slot on the right of the photo. If it's not reaching, The cables may be stuck under the cell. Also, Almost all plugs are a different size..

[Chrisdice]

That game had a switch wired into the side pocket payout wire. That way if you needed more balls you just press the button a few times and it sent balls to the shooter tray. I took the switch out and restored to back to normal before I sent it to you. maybe where I reconnected the wire came loose in shipping. look for the electric tape and check that connection.

[millermaster1]

So I should look for a missing wire also? The red wire in the picture is to big for the one plug and to small for the one to the right? It is completely different then what was attached before.

That game had a switch wired into the side pocket payout wire. That way if you needed more balls you just press the button a few times and it sent balls to the shooter tray. I took the switch out and restored to back to normal before I sent it to you. maybe where I reconnected the wire came loose in shipping. look for the electric tape and check that connection.

[Chrisdice]

I'm pretty sure that wire was connected somewhere. Someone else with a LOTR please take a look at yours and chime in.

[compirate]

If that connector is really red, then it goes to the payout control board (see page 13 of the Victory frame manual 'removing payout control board' to see where the connector is), it's the only red connector on the lower part of the machine that gets connected. The red connector to the left in your picture is for checking the game roms.

[millermaster1]

The payout motor was already connected (see photo) and I didn't touch that when I changed the cell? The connection in my first photo does look identical to the red payout connection! Would any other photos help?

If that connector is really red, then it goes to the payout control board (see page 13 of the Victory frame manual 'removing payout control board' to see where the connector is), it's the only red connector on the lower part of the machine that gets connected. The red connector to the left in your picture is for checking the game roms.

[Youngjedi]

If it were me, I would put the other cell back in and find out where it was connecting to. Maybe, a cell swap between the two is not possible. Good Luck.

[millermaster1]

Can someone please post a couple photos of the back of their LOTR?
Bottom section would be great!
Thanks!

I'm pretty sure that wire was connected somewhere. Someone else with a LOTR please take a look at yours and chime in.

[Youngjedi]

Here are some pics...Sorry for the Blurry pics, it's was 4 AM. Hard to focus.

If you compare picture 3 with your original post, you will see the red connector goes to the red jack.

Hope this helps.

[millermaster1]

Thanks Youngjedi!!!
You are correct about the red connection. The question is why is mine a different size??? Can you give me a measurement on the connection? I have the same frame?
This is the first cell I changed out, is this common to have different connections?

Here are some pics...Sorry for the Blurry pics, it's was 4 AM. Hard to focus.

If you compare picture 3 with your original post, you will see the red connector goes to the red jack.

Hope this helps.

[Chrisdice]

the red jack on the victory frame I took the cell out of is 1" long by just under 1/4 " high. I'm sorry this turned into a project MM, I thought it be an easy swap.

[Youngjedi]

The Plug (the part the fits INTO the holder) is 15/16 wide and 1/8 Thick.

[millermaster1]

Hey Chris...Story of my life!Hold on to the frame, I may still need it!

Photo 1 The top connection is from Fever Queen on the Victory Frame, The bottom connection is from LOTR on the Victory Frame...This should be the same, correct???

Photo 2 is the connection point for the LOTR (Red connection)

What or where are the wires that control the payout for the side pockets?

the red jack on the victory frame I took the cell out of is 1" long by just under 1/4 " high. I'm sorry this turned into a project MM, I thought it be an easy swap.

[compirate]

When it comes to sensor wires, I find they are usually one black, one white in a 2 pin connector. Solenoids are usually yellow/black wires.

[millermaster1]

Hey Compirate any idea if the "strange" red connection would effect the sensor? Any idea why the start pocket is working and the others aren't (this should be wired together for payout)?
Any thoughts to why the THIS cell, which should work, has different type of connections? Are there different types of victory frames?

Way to many questions on this one!

When it comes to sensor wires, I find they are usually one black, one white in a 2 pin connector. Solenoids are usually yellow/black wires.

[daverob]

You are using the main control board that came with the LotR cell, right? The main control board (that this red connector plugs into) from the Fever Queen will not work correctly with a LotR cell.

There can be some confusion with the Victory frame as the main control board is often mounted on the frame (over the power supply board) rather than directly on the back of the cell. But the control board _must_ be swapped along with the rest of the cell electronics when changing between games.

[millermaster1]

THANK YOU!!!

I guess I'm not crazy well...maybe...

I will send Chris a note! Do I need anything else besides the control board (wires,etc)?

I have never been told about the control board, I think you just taught a bunch of us a lesson!
I owe you a pint!

You are using the main control board that came with the LotR cell, right? The main control board (that this red connector plugs into) from the Fever Queen will not work correctly with a LotR cell.

There can be some confusion with the Victory frame as the main control board is often mounted on the frame (over the power supply board) rather than directly on the back of the cell. But the control board _must_ be swapped along with the rest of the cell electronics when changing between games.

[daverob]

Do I need anything else besides the control board (wires,etc)?

For the victory frame a complete cell set should include the cell itself (including all the circuit boards mounted on the back of it), the main control board and the cables that connect to the top row of connectors on the main control board and lead to the cell (these are often game specific).

From your pictures it looks like you've got everything except the correct main control board.


There are quite a few of the older frames where there are odd boards mounted on the frame that form part of the cell set (for example the audio board on the Heiwa Hotaru frame). It is important to make sure you get the full set when buying cells.

For occasions like this it is useful to be able to recognise the name of the game in Japanese, any boards that have labels on them with this name are part of the cell set (whether the label is on the plastic case, the circuit board, or stuck on individual chips on the circuit board).

When considering buying a new cell to swap into a machine where you are not familiar with the cell swap procedure, it is often a good idea to do a 'dry run' cell swap (remove and reinstall the original machine cell yourself). This way you can see if any of these labelled boards might be missed by the seller, and then make contact with the seller to make sure that they will be included with the cell.

[compirate]

Hey Compirate any idea if the "strange" red connection would effect the sensor? Any idea why the start pocket is working and the others aren't (this should be wired together for payout)?
Any thoughts to why the THIS cell, which should work, has different type of connections? Are there different types of victory frames?

Way to many questions on this one!

I see Daverob's already figured it out, why didn't I see it? me--me

There are 2 types of Victory frames, a Victory and a New Victory, but the two games you have are in the New Victory.

The red connector is for all the other win sensors, however, the start (and some times the winged start) are separate connections. The yellow 2-pin connection to the right of the red socket is the start pocket. On other games, there is also a light blue 2-pin connector that is the winged start.