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    Default Noobie starting a refurb

    Just bought my first pachinko machine, a Kyoraku, on Craigslist and am going to start a refurb. It was sitting in someone's attic for unknown years and is quite dusty. I haven't plugged it in (the plug says 125v 7a) and not pictured is what looks like an electric feeder tray that goes from bottom to top. Any advice would be appreciated on where to look for refurb advice before I just tear into it? Looking forward to some fun! Attached are some photos front and back. Thanks all! (Hope I loaded those pics right. )
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    Default Re: Noobie starting a refurb

    WELCOME!!


    Wow, really cool machine, Good Luck with your refurb!!

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    Default Re: Noobie starting a refurb

    and you got a ball lifter? it alone sells it the $200 range.


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    Default Re: Noobie starting a refurb

    Just be careful when opening the UFO cover!! The results may be shocking!!
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    From Yahoo translation - UFO 回路 - UFO Circuit

    I see an empty plug at the bottom, does the lifter plug into that? Interested in a pic of that.

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    Very interesting Pachinko indeed!!

    Quite a few PachiTalk members have restored or are restoring Pachinkos, I'm sure you will get lots of friendly advice and encouragement...

    Look forward to seeing your progress with this one

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    Now, that is a truely unique machine! You have managed to find one of the machines that defy the simple classification of Vintage/Modern. Although I would agree that your classification for the post as Vintage is the best one. Mainly due to the fact that it appears to pay out in almost the same fashion as the true vintage machines now.

    Now.. on the refurb part. Here's what I do when I get a device that I'm not sure about the electronics. I have a 'switchable' power strip that also have a circuit breaker built in. I turn the switch off, and put the power strip between the test device and a circuit in my shop/garage. With the device turn off (if it has a switch) and sitting on the concrete floor (not on my wooden workbench... long story) I then flip on the power strip. At this point you have voltage to the device and you can make sure there nothing smoking or shocking. Then either switch on the device or in the cases of pachinkos with no switch start trying out the various electrical components. The first thing you should see is the hopper empty light on as well as any 'advertising' lights that may be set as always on.

    Just always remember that you have juice to the machine, I've been working on things before, forget I had it plugged in, only to be rudely reminded. It's easy to forget when your mind is thinking of other things. Here's another electricians rule... Keep one hand in your pocket when working with live circuits. This rule prevents you from completing a circuit between your hands which would make the 'arc' across your chest and heart.

    Good luck and becareful!
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    Thanks all for the advise, and hopefully the wife will not have to do CPR! I picked this up on Craigslist for $75 and am hoping that it will work once I get the 1/4" of dust off of it. I try the powerstrip advise in the garage using the 1 handed method. I'll keep the fire extinguisher handy. I'm hoping that I can have this baby up and running for my kids by Christmas. I became interested in Pachinko when I was stationed in Okinawa back in '93 and hopfully this will satisfy the itch. Anyways, here's a picture of the lifter birdbrain. It's not in great shape, but you never know. I'll keep everyone updated on progress, and will probably have lots of questions. Thanks!
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    Default Re: Noobie starting a refurb

    that must be an older model lifter, thats worth more than you paid for both
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    Welcome to the site!!! You will most likely have to look no further for info. I found this site much like you and aquired most of my information here. There are many intelligent members that are willing to help. Info seems to come to you rather than you having to go look for it. Sometimes it seems like it's a competition to see who can answer your question first. Enjoy! I find that refurb is more fun than playing.

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    Most of the older machines I found ran on 24 VAC.
    I'm sure that transformer (Blue Label) means 24 VA or close to 24 watts.
    Its says 100 V which is the ac voltage in Japan and 24 V for output.

    When I worked for RCA Service, the demo machine from Japan before RCA introduced there first VCR was a 100 V Unit. We used what is called a Variac to lower our 120v down to 100 volts for saftey.

    Now the UFO can be the power supply for the Unit. It takes the 24 Vac and changes it for the electronics, lights, motors etc.

    What you need to do is to make sure the cord that goes to the machine goes to that transformer. If you have a DVM (Digital Volt Meter) check the resistance of the plug. Make sure it has resistance between the 2 pins on the plug before you plug it in. Majority cases, these transformers where installed wire from the transformer to the AC connector with no switch. Now in that case, if the unit had a short on the secondary, the transformers internal thermal fuse would open make the unit inop. But if measure some resistance means you have a good chance its ok. I will measure my transformers to give you a resistance range by tomorrow night.

    As a rule to tell which side of the transformer is input vs output, usually the thicker wire is output. And hopefully they label it on the transformer for indentification.

    If the unit was a 24 AC unit and you plug it into the power strip, it would lite up real good and smoke. And circuit breakers will not react fast enuf.

    Will check and let ya know
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    Default Re: Noobie starting a refurb

    Repeat after me..
    The digital camera is my friend, it will rember for me were all these funny looking parts go.There is no such thing as too many pictures, no matter how many I take the one I need won't be big enough or from the right angle so I will need to take more.

    Nice machine, have fun and welcome to the Dark Side
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    I spent a good amount of time cleaning up the first ball lifter I bought. You don't want rust being tracked through your pachinko. One of the best tools was a cheap auto detailing brass brush and steel brush set I found at the supermarket. Also Bullfrog Rust Remover. With those I was able to get it shiny again. For the coil tube I was able to dip it in the bottle of rust remover to get it clean. A thin bottle brush helped to clean it out.
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    I'd sure like to see a picture of the other side of that lifter. looks like a conveyor type lifter with the motor at the top and an overflow return to the bottom.I've never seen one like this before.


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    At work now, did a google translation and the transformer is 100 Volts Primary with a 24 V secondary.
    Whats in and whats out dunno yet..

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    Here's some more pics of that lifter for you birdbrain, hope they help in identifying it. It will need some work though. I had the stomach flu yesterday, so I can start cleaning today. The person I bought it from said they had plugged it in to check to see if it works, and that all the lights lit up, so should I hold off on plugging it in Old til I hear from you? I'm not much of an electrician. Oh, and thanks for the advice jwegger for the pics. I'll burn a whole bunch as there is not much out there for fixing these machines. Trial and error is the spice of life though!! (At least that was what my Dad said, who was a true engineer!!)
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    I've got a Kyoraku of this vintage and you should be fine plugging it in to standard house current.

    I believe from that last picture that the lifter is made by Sankyo

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    same with the lifter. the small micro switch shown in pic 2 will cut off power when the lower hopper runs out of balls, the large paddle switch lays in the bottom of the hopper on the top of your pachinko and any time you run low on balls it will start the lift, when it is loaded with enough balls it will depress the paddle shutting off the lifter.insure that the hinge end of the paddle swt. is at the uphill end of the ball tray or balls will slip underneath the paddle and it will never shut off.


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    I'd love to know when the overflow and that counter come in to play, never seen that before!

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    In doing a refurb on the pachinko machine, do you pull the whole panel of plastic on the back of the machine off to give it a total cleaning? I know lots of pictures to get it back right, but was just wondering about any advice, as there are quite a few wires, etc. on the back. There is quite a bit of dust, even in the ball paths themselves, so I figure to get it clean, I must totally break it down. Any thoughts?
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