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    Default 110v vs 100v

    I was wondering, I see that my MuMu is rated for 100v ac. Everybody just plugs their pachislo's into a 110v outlet and away they go. Our voltage varies from 110v to 115v on the average. What's the life span of a pachislo thats be exposed to 110v (115v)? Whats the max voltage a pachislo can take?

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    Default Re: 110v vs 100v

    I've never had any voltage problems running with 110 volts, all my 100v power supplies have held up.
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    Default Re: 110v vs 100v

    I'm little bit worried too. Can some led's or lcd screen get broke?

    I have measured 26 to 28 VAC from the back of the pachinko machine with my multimeter. 28 is pretty much over voltage! I think the transformer inside the machine is original Japanese 100VAC. There's no markings. The voltage can vary if the all lights and ball motor is running or not. That 28 VAC is measured in idle mode.

    I have 230V to 110V transformer there also and I haven't measured the 110V voltage yet if it is exactly 110V.

    In the manual there's 24VAC and +/- 5% which is 22.8 to 25.2 VAC.

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    Default Re: 110v vs 100v

    The transformer in the machne probably isn't from Japan unless you imported it yourself. The parlours use large multi-machine transformers. I ran machines with 240-24 and 240-110-24 transfromers for a long time with no problem.

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    Default Re: 110v vs 100v

    Here is the route to go

    I enclude one with the Pica cleaner I sell

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    Default Re: 110v vs 100v

    I agree with Arby, I have been monitoring the house voltage and It has been peaking out at 118v. The minimum voltage is at 112v. Sooner or later something is going to give.

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    I too agree with Arby. I have had problems with one of my machines that had a 100v transformer installed in it. I was getting a high pitched squeal from the main controller until I changed the transformer. I now run my 100v machines on step up/down converters. It may not make a big difference in the lifespan of your machine, but it's cheap insurance.

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    Default Re: 110v vs 100v

    this thread started about 100 volt power supplies on pachislos.

    but, it seems to have gone over to pachinkos

    all my pachislos with 100 volt power supplies have worked fine, any that have transformers do have 110 volt transformers
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    I should have clearified... I'm talking about Club Rodeo Pachislo.

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    Even the 100volt slots should be feed a step down for the wear and tear.

    The 24votl should have a transformer that 110 volt step down to 24 volt.

    I know that the wear on these machines running the Japanese transformers by some are having no problem, but the 110votl is higher like 120volts in some areas.

    USA current is not the same everywhere.
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    The power at my house is currently sitting at 120.9v to 121.1v with no load, and with one Pachinko (Big Shooter) 18 Watt load it was sitting at 119.4v according to my Handy little Kill A Watt meter. Your voltage will drop as you add more of a load on the outlet. I'm on the west coast using PG&E (Pathetic Greedy Extortionists).

    I recommend the Kill A Watt meter to everyone that wants to know what is going on with their power. You can pick one up a Newegg.com for $18.00, and it's worth every penny.

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    Default Re: 110v vs 100v

    Quote Originally Posted by MrGoodBurn View Post
    The power at my house is currently sitting at 120.9v to 121.1v with no load, and with one Pachinko (Big Shooter) 18 Watt load it was sitting at 119.4v according to my Handy little Kill A Watt meter. Your voltage will drop as you add more of a load on the outlet. I'm on the west coast using PG&E (Pathetic Greedy Extortionists).

    I recommend the Kill A Watt meter to everyone that wants to know what is going on with their power. You can pick one up a Newegg.com for $18.00, and it's worth every penny.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882715001

    That is a cool product, also available from Harbor Freight,
    but a couple bucks more.

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    Very Cool Tool MR Good Burn.

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    Default Re: 110v vs 100v

    I haven't looked inside the power supply cabinet, but I suspect that it 's a switching supply and I've seen those with inputs that range from 90-240 VAC. I don't know if that's what they have, but this could be a non issue, unless a lot of you are seeing power supply failures.

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    it is a non issue brought up many times before .inside your power supply is a rectifier and yes its made for the 100 volt a.c. output (not current that's measured in amps not volts the voltage is different here but the current is the same sorry arby ) that regulator is also made to accept larger amounts of voltages as was mentioned earlier in case of voltage spikes from the power source .the output of the rectifier is constant despite the variation of the input hence the name rectifier. in the case of the pachinko machines they to have rectifiers to convert to d.c. to run the electronics also .I wouldn't sweat the extra voltage considering once it goes thru the transformer its only a 5 volt difference (4:1 step down ratio or 100/24 ).Your well with in the engineering design of the power supplies limits.
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    Ok I think I understand what you said, alstonj1 (Dr. Frankenpachi), but what will keep the TP from sticking to my shoe in the bathroom ?
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    So 24 volts go into the power supply on the machine.

    Than it is changed to other voltages to run the different things ?
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    Agreement is with alstonj1. What is needed is a Regulated Power supply. Much like a surge supressor it makes certain that whatever the voltage input may be the voltage output is constant. This MAY correct the issues that many of us in the US have with excessive noise in our machines, at Shows I keep the machines plugged in to UPCs to make sure they recieve enough current from the sometimes overstressed power systems at these resorts. Since I started doing that I have had NO issues whatsoever. When the voltage drops off the UPS continues to output the proper current and the machines do not "Hiccup" or "Haywire" I have spoken to a tech at the Hard Rock here in Florida and he tells me that the Casinos make certain that all of their equipment is on power conditioner systems that operate on a similar basis.
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    The question now is are all pachi's created equal? Will all of them have regulated switching supplies? Are some non-regulated? Do older machines have analog supplies? Like many others here, our line voltage tends to hover around 122v, which on a non-regulated/analog supply is way out of tolerance on a 100v machine.

    I'd be willing to measure the output of the power supply, if I knew where to tap (I haven't really explored the inside yet). I have Arby's 120-110 stepdown transformer (which he shipped with the Pica), and that's currently running the machine until I have time to confirm it's necessary or not.
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    easiest way to explain the situation with surges and spikes is that the damage is only seldom immediate. The damage is cumulative, I will use vintage pachinkos as an example. Metal fatigue in the vintage Pachincos is the most probable root of the 2 year limit on machine usage in Japan after 730 days of constant stress and bouncing balls the bends and angles of all The metal pieces that contact the balls will tend to misform or change ever so slightly. This would drastically change the payout, reliabiliy and playability of the units. Electronics are similar in how much stress they can take but you need to look at Current as a source of pressure.

    (Envision a water hose on the side of your house)

    the Valve on the house (which will be set full open for our purpose) is the power from the electric company and everyone knows that there can be big differences in water pressure area to area. The end of the hose is a nozzle, if the nozzle is set to full flow and you water the plants you can rip off foliage splatter yourself with dirt etc. (I hope you get the picture) If you "Regulate" the pressure by adjusting the nozzle accordingly no damage is done. Using that mental image look at a Power supply again, it is a manifold for pressure(current) that allows only specific amounts of pressure to follow certain paths. The better it is regulated the less "Erosion" occurs.

    Let me know if everyone understood that and what is not clear I have other ways I use to explain it to match other frames of reference.
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