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    Default These are the Best of Times...and the Worst?

    Over the past few months I have observed a large number of vendors offering pachinko and pachislo games at bargain prices online. The variety of games is great and for the most part, the sellers are delivering a quality product.

    What concerns me is that these cheap prices will be short lived and could signal the beginning of the end for low prices and "new" games in the USA.

    Let me explain.

    Increasingly, states have frowned upon the use and possession of pachislo games by individuals. This restrictive view is directly associated with the attempts of the casino industry to expand its games into more states. Legal casinos view any form of gaming other than playing in their casinos, to be competition. Small arcades and truck stops offering slots that reward players with gift cards and free gas say that they are legal (ChuckeCheese law). Unfortunately, as local prosecutors go after these marginal operations, they write and interpret laws that make possession of pachislo games a risky proposition.

    As a result of this mood in many states, the sale of pachislo games has taken a big hit and many vendors are simply dumping their inventory and moving on to other things.

    Don't be surprised to see the sale and listing of pachislo games to be eventually banned by eBay.

    Pachinko games are in a different boat. For the present time pachinko games are rarely viewed as a gambling game since they do not use tokens or coins.

    The problem with pachinko is that it has a limited customer base and requires a higher level commitment to set up and maintain pachinkos. Specifically, pachinko games do not arrive in a factory finished cabinet--they are pulled from the pachinko parlors which keep the multi-unit enclosures for the replacement game. This means the pachinko game requires mounting, ball supply and management installed and knowledge of basic mechanical function is necessary to keep the game working smoothly.

    Pachinko games are noisy, loud, garish loud machines that absolutely captivate many players (including myself), but finding a place for them in a home is often a challenge. Their clatter of endless balls being launched and won dominates the typical home and often tests the patience of non-pachinko aficionados in the home.

    I think most readers will agree that the potential customer base for pachinko is far more limited than that of pachislo. Bear in mind that here at pachitalk we attract many players who seem to eat, live and breathe pachinko. Yet, we suffer one major restriction: we must buy our games in order to play them. At some point we run out of room, so even our universe is limited. On the other hand, pachislo players can usually get a slot fix at a nearby casino.

    I believe the drop in pachinko prices is not just the drop the remaining inventory after the holiday thing, but it is that supply (games imported for sale) now exceeds demand (persons willing to buy). The kicker is that many of the current vendors will lose lots of money trying to clear inventory and they will not return to the market as a dealer. And thus, the worst of times will be upon us again when a few dealers will control supply and can demand higher prices.

    What's your opinion?
    Dennis

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    Default Re: These are the Best of Times...and the Worst?

    Definately food for thought

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    Default Re: These are the Best of Times...and the Worst?

    My suggestion: Rent storage unit. Buy lots now. Rotate.
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    Default Re: These are the Best of Times...and the Worst?

    From the cover of the best book not yet written, Don't Panic!!
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    Default Re: These are the Best of Times...and the Worst?

    From the cover of the best book not yet written, Don't Panic
    No panic here, fellow hitchhiker. I have my trusty towel with me at all times.

    Oh, Yes, Japan: thanks for the pachinkos!
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    dont mind him he's mostly harmless...

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    Default Re: These are the Best of Times...and the Worst?

    cool, than I would be back in business importing to USA
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    Deep man, deep...........:scared1:
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    Default Re: These are the Best of Times...and the Worst?

    Maybe it is because I live in a state that has casino's and also allows you to own any machine for home entertainment that I don't see this issue. I think it is a somewhat limited market that has started to become saturated. How many people here have had a hard time finding a buyer for their machines at good prices? I bought a machine from birdbrain that he kept lowering the price until I finally bought it. I think the limited room many have has caused less demand for machines. Many have to get rid of older machines to make room for newer and hopefully can find buyers for their machines. I know I am at my limits and have sold and even given machines away to make room so I try to wait for really good deals before buying a new machine.
    and a few others.

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    Default Re: These are the Best of Times...and the Worst?

    I agree with you Bilko, Now that I can afford to jump into the pachislo world head first, I see less and less of the newer Pachislos... I always see go go juggler and the machines that were around on ebay 2yrs. ago when I picked up this hobby....

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    Default Re: These are the Best of Times...and the Worst?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocpachinko View Post
    My suggestion: Rent storage unit. Buy lots now. Rotate.


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    Default Re: These are the Best of Times...and the Worst?

    Now that even the most basic pachislo has a LCD screen I wish they could turn it around. It is a perception that needs to change. There is a assumtion that if it came from japan there must be a secret back room with hanky panky going on. There were pachislo for prizes in south carolina and georgia in adult only places and the churches thought something was going on and had it shut down. Both states did not allow operation on sundays. The perception got so bad, polititans thought they could seek protection money because of the church peoples rumors. It was killed due to the local government corruption. I remember one small town in SC where only the mayor was able to operate pachislos in town or his sheriff would make up a code violation and have him closed or make him buy/lease his machines from the mayor. The mayor ended up running casinos before the state shut the whole thing down.

    If the state allows gaming and chuckecheese then it should be my right to be able to open a token operated arcade without restrictions as to what kind of machine the tokens operate. Be it washers and driers, pay toilets or pachislos. If there is issues, post restrictions like no kids during school hours but I don't know how they can get away with keeeping them in our homes.

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