How acurate/consistent are the ball shooters?

[hanabi]

Even the 'stop button' gives the same results.. If I get the power at a given level and then release the balls one at a time, I still get the same 'inconsistency'

To stress, this isn't a problems.. Its just and observation..

Jon

Perhaps the Consistency you strive for is in fact the 'inconsistency'

I find it's better to just play for the Fun Factor - and perhaps when you've done that for a few months - you might find the answers you're looking for?

Remember the Path to True Enlightenment cannot be travelled in One Day

Good Luck Jon - and keep us posted

[ocpachinko]

Such eloquence here, to which I can only add that I often like to play a fixed amount of balls (say, a tray) and see how I do. I win, I lose, I break even. It's a bit more like being in a parlor--I guess that's why I'm not so much a cyclic mod person.

This is the kind of thread that I love in this forum...

[jweaver]

I still think I am missing something.. If I put in a finite amount of balls in the tray and played to see if I would win, loose or break even, I would loose.

For me, I am loosing at a rate of about 30:1.

I just don't get it.. I still havn't seen ANYTHING other than the reels (on which i always loose) and I am throwing balls through it like its going out of fashion!

Say I put 100 balls in the tray, it would last for a few mins before it was empty.. In that time, I might get 3 or 4 balls in the hole (which means that I win about 9-12 balls), but they get used up too.

Its driving me nuts.. I LOVE the machine.. I really do.. Its just so cool and looks amazing, but I wish I could work out why I am not winning

Jon

[johntofva]

I don't have a Star Wars machine. So couldn't really tell you what is suppose to happen. On my machines, I am very close to one for one. For every tray I put in. I win a tray. And that isn't really counting the little payouts along the way. I am assuming that you have adjusted the nails. And also know what all the pockets do....30 to 1 isn't right. I would have to agree. I think you are missing something to.

[jweaver]

The plot thickens!! This explains why I am "not getting it"..

I just pile balls in a get nothing out.. I have had 2 StarWars machines to date and they both play EXACTLY the same, so I am figuring that I am doing something wrong.

I would estimate that for every 100 balls, I get to the 'reels' about 4-5 times and EVERY time I loose!!


Jon

[Tulsa]

You have two start pockets on the star Wars, one at the top and the one in the center. Open those nails around those two start pockets a bit and see if you can get more spins that way.

[luckydog]

I got 4 fevers in a row yesterday on my We Sky pachinko and shut it off, today I got 3 fevers in a riow and shut it off again

adjusting the nails really helps

[dattia]

Well Jon, it looks like you should adjust your nails a bit and try it again. Be sure to let us know if it made a difference.

[dj0812]

I can play my "Magic Party" pachinko for hours on end - and will never see a FEVER.

My wife decides to play - and guess what - total FEVER MANIA!!!

Conclusion : Pachinko's must have specialised sensors on the fire control that reads genetic code and lets the women win! This can be the only answer !!

[Lddrizzt]

Jon if you are not hitting the pockets I can almost guarantee that the nails are not open enough.
Do this, take a ball and see how easily it will pass between them. Now not just at the pockets, but the path to the pockets. I'll bet you will find that it is a tight fit in most cases. Bend the nails a little to loosen these pathways.
Now play and you will see a huge difference. Then you might even start to "get" pachinko.

[jweaver]

I am off work this week, so will have another go tomorrow..

Just to be sure that I understand things correctly, once you get a ball in the hole, is it then automatic after that, or should I do anything?

To date, all I have seen is:

1. Reels spin and end up with 2 or 3 different numbers (an obvious loose)

2. Reels, spin and I get 2 number the same, then it goes off to an animation, where the 3rd reel spins slowly (but ultimately looses). So far I have seen:

a. The Ice Scene with the walkers
b. The Forest Moon with the speed bikes
c. The death star trench.


Am I right in thinking that I just watch/enjoy these sequences and keep my fingers crossed that the 3rd reel matche the other two, or should I be doing anything at this point (i.e getting a ball in the hole)?


I am assuming that this whole things is a 'tease' but am now wondering if the fact that I stop playing to watch the sequence is why I am loosing...

Jon

[luckydog]

all the pachinko tease you to get you to keep playing, the palours want you to think you are going to win as much as possible without you actually winning

that keeps you on the machine and more money in their pockets

[Lddrizzt]

Listen to everyone else besides me, OPEN UP THE NAILS, then you get more spins and more balls for hitting pockets, and then a fever round or two.

[drcrippen324]

i purposly play a machine im about to send out untill it gose into feaver to make sure all the whistles and bells work if it is feeling tight then i will reset the nails till it loosens u pslightly that way when the customer gets it the machine is set for home fun not a tight fisted money making parlour owner

[Lddrizzt]

That is good service Dr.
The only machines I have never had to adjust is the 3 Arby machines I have.
The other 6 that have passed through here ALL needed adjustment. Deka Incas were the worst, at least 3 or 4 pockets on each would not even let a ball through.

[compirate]

the machine is set for home fun not a tight fisted money making parlour owner

Hey! I'm working on resembling that remark!
I've finally got family interested. They're finding all kinds of neat 'prizes' for Gibisan's!

[websherpa]

I've been adjusting the nails slowly on all my machines to make them less tight. On most machines the two nails above the start pocket (spin) are set slightly to one side or another to make it that much harder, but if you bend them up and out a bit they will slow a ball down that hits them, and tend to bounce in towards the pocket. On Deka Inca it seems very hard to hit the other winning pockets (which give say 12 - 15 ball wins to keep you playing a little longer, but I did manage to get the nails right on one of those side pockets so I hear a nice "rain" of intermediate winning balls every once in a while.

Now here is where there is a definite difference between North American slots and Pachinko (and even Pachislo to some extent). You have to play a lot more of those little balls to get a big win. There really are no "little" wins like you get on Norht American slots. You either win big or you lose. So someone going in to a parlour and only buying a few balls would have to be pretty lucky in order to get a Bonus Fever Round. I would imagine that a hard core player would have to buy and play up to 2500 (a tray) or more of balls before hitting a big fever (and maybe not even then) to win back say a tray or two (or more if multiple fevers in a row).

We've all experienced long droughts between wins and then a run of several fevers in a row that makes up for it all and is really very exciting (particularly if you have a lot of balls and a lifter). So what you are experiencing is perfectly normal. When I first got my Deka Inca, I played it for an hour each night for about 2 - 3 weeks I think before I got a fever, and thought there might be something wrong. I would say that until you have won a bonus/fever or two, you really wouldn't get Pachinko. For that matter most people don't "get" North American slots until they win a jackpot or two (then it gets very exciting).

The thing about North American slots though, is that you get enough small wins throughout the course of loosing your stash that you get to play a bit longer (and have the feeling like you're a winner). From that perspective I tend to play say Black Jack where you can consistently win over a period of time, enough that your initial stake at least lasts a fair amount of time if you're not really winning big (i.e. more bang for your buck).

THey say that some machines pay off fairly soon after a reset, and that's been my experience, so that might be something to try.

[dishpan]

My Star Wars now has a ball lifter installed. I've adjusted my nails so that on average I win the same amount of balls compared to the amount of balls that I consume during normal play. While playing a new machine I'll be constantly adjusting the nails to give me a balanced payout, neither winning nor losing too many balls.

The bottom overflow tray/bin then becomes my playing ball buffer. In this manor the handling of balls is minimized. Periodically I still have to reach into the back to retrieve some balls so that I can continue to play. But I can play for long periods without doing so. This allows me the experience of ball management and Fever ball rushes that going with a cyclic or semi-cyclic modification takes away.

During Fever rounds, which tend to come in bunches, I empty the overflow bin into another hand tray to pour into the payout resevoir in the back when I have the time. I'll often ignore the payout bin as long as I have enough balls to continue playing. After the Fever round finishes, I'll keep pouring the balls through the payout bin until the internal payout computer is balanced. Most of my machines are adjusted and balanced this way. Almost all of my Pachinkos originally have had the nails set very tightly to favour "the house".

The factory programs the odds of these machines for a certain Fever round ratio. The factory often manufactures multiple versions of one game with varying odds. For Star Wars there are the ZF (1/496.5 to 1/49.6), the RN1 (1/259.0 to 1/25.9) and the ST (1/243.6 to 1/24.4) models. The payout odds ratio varies during game play on the same machine. Consequently there are "dry" spells which can last for days. Eventually though, the dam breaks and the machine becomes very loose. My personal best on the Star Wars machine is 8 nearly consecuative Fever rounds during a very short period of time. Most members here seem to have the ZF model.

Even without a ball lifter, you should be able to adjust your Star Wars to find a comfortable balance. I can sit back with a cup of coffee and cookies at hand and still enjoy the game.

I assume that you have already manually dropped balls into all of the pockets to ensure that they are paying out, and that the payout mechanism is not periodically jamming.

[ocpachinko]

As always you guys see where I missed the possible problem...and by tray, I did mean 2500 balls in a parlor tray. If you lost those balls (about $100) in 30 minutes every time (which is all it would take, it sounds like, until you adjust those pins) said machine is likely to be next for the claw (in other thread) because someone would likely bust it up.

I sure hope all of this helps.

[jweaver]

lddrizzt,

I did listen to you and WILL open up the nails.. My 2nd question had nothing to do with your reply.. I was simply asking whether once I get to the reels (Which will happen more often once I have bent the nails) whether I am actually playing it right

Jon