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    Default Re: Beast Sapp: Reel LEDs faulty?

    For testing anything else, I just use a DC power supply and some clip leads. With that, you can test them right on the board. A decent DC supply is always a good thing to have....proto board too.[/QUOTE]

    Can you recomend a dc supply device and a protoboard ?
    I dont want to look as unknowledgeable as I am when I go into a Radio Shack etc I just want to plug the Leds any Leds for that matter into something to test them.
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    Anything that can go up to at least 30V, variable, with current limiting and some kind of meter or display. Dual output is nice, but not mandatory. Something with decent current output of at least an amp is good all around supply.

    Mine is a fancy Tektronix version from an old company...kind of overkill.

    Something like these basic units are fine:

    http://www.testextra.com/extech/exte...wer_supply.htm
    or this
    http://www.apogeekits.com/power_supply_ps603u.htm


    If you Google on DC lab power supply, you'll get a bunch of places to look. I'm not sure if Radio Shack sells that kind of thing anymore. Of course if you're just going to use it for testing LEDs, you can just get one of those vairable voltage wall warts and rig up the connector to go to two banana jacks.

    Protoboards....they might sell those at radioslack. It's just a grid with internal busses so you can plug in components and using wires, making simple circuits to test. Digikey sells them, but you really need a catalog to order anything from them, their webpage sucks. A search even turned up this fancy one on ebay:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=73154

    This place seems to have a selection too:
    http://www.circuitspecialists.com/level.itml/icOid/8099

    If you can't find any, I may be able to scrounge up a small one for you. You can make the jumper wires out of any solid wire....like an old length of phone cable.

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    Thx so much but those power supplies are out of my price range for the time being but I will keep the info for when I get some extra scratch. Need that MuMu money! I will however wind up getting one of the power sources that you have suggested. I love tools
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    You know, there might be some used power supplies on ebay, I didn't check. But shipping would be steep, the transformers are heavy.

    BTW, you need a multimeter too. That's probably THE most used piece of equipment if you're going to tinker.

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    Whilst I accept everyones comments that this is normal, or atleast common, I have just found that even more LEDs have failed.

    When i got the machine, I am almost sure that all 18 were white.. if not, I was only a couple that were yellow.

    When I first reported the problem here, the colour of the bulbs were:

    O O|Y Y|O O
    O O|Y Y|O O

    O O|O O|O O

    A day later and several more had failed and it looked like this:

    O O|Y Y|B B
    O O|Y Y|B B
    O O|Y Y|O O


    Now after an evenings play, it gone like this:

    O O|Y Y|B B
    Y Y|Y Y|B B

    O O|Y Y|Y Y

    How can so many LEDs fail in such a short space of time? This may be common, but surely its more than a co-incidence?

    Jon

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    Since the failure is more mechanical in nature, as opposed to electrical - the lens on the LEDs loses the hermetic seal, I would say it's environmental changes which makes them crap out seemingly all at once. Once the seal is broken, which itself may be due to temp and humidity along with quite a bit of vibration during shipping, all kinds of bad things happen to the original Kingbrights. Once you switch over to the other LEDs, it all disappears.

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    As coincidental as winning a Big Bonus I'm afraid. I've turned mine off, come back and lights that were out came back on, changed colour, etc.
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    Default Re: Beast Sapp: Reel LEDs faulty?

    I ordered 20 of the Superflux ultrabrite white LED units from this site...

    http://www.phenoptix.co.uk/

    They are rated at 3000mcd and 100º viewing angle.Check them out, might work well. I will post the before and after closeup pics when i get them in.

    Here is the good part..the cost for 20 of these?? $8.08 USD!!! Shipping to the US is $3.75..grand total under $12 US.
    Cant hurt much to try this out. looks like we can solder them to the existing PCB, but to make a new one to snap into place might be even easier.

    H.B.

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    Yes, based on reading the specs, they look like the same or close to the ones we used. I'm not sure of their claim on 3000 mcd, the specs seemed awefully close to our 1200 mcd ones, but hey if they are, great (I seem to remember that brighter wasn't so much the issue as redder and wider - to match the kingbrights). In any case let us know the results!

    Yes, with only a very slight bend the four legs fit in the six holes as per pervious notes, soldered in there you wouldn't need a socket, and in fact a socket would make their effective angle of view even narrower (because you want these guys as close to the original board as possible - they have standoffs and are alread too high.)
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    Thanks for the link. Those should work as well. Who would have thought ordering from the UK would be cheaper?!? Once thing I'll say about Quickar, though, they ship fast.

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    Default Re: Beast Sapp: Reel LEDs faulty?

    Got my LEDs, done one reel and am happy with the results.

    As has been stated before, the light is more white (Bluey white) and it gives a slight less even spread, but if you have nothing to compare them too, you would never know.

    This picture should give you an idea.

    The left reel is original which currently has 4xwhite and 2xyellow...

    The right reel has the original LEDs which is current 2xwhite 2xblue and 2xyellow

    The middle is the 'upgraded' reel. Right.. I had better crack on and do the other 2...

    I hope this helps

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    dam Wayne been having fun i see ...... Thought we hashed all this out last winter ....... the problem is with the temp. extremes that damaged the diode housings every time you turn the machine on and off you cause them to heat and cool progressing the damage hence more LEDs out .... this is an inherent problem with the elcos the only way to stall the problem is to either not turn the machine on (not an option ) or not turn it off (a possible option one i use and my machine has lost only 2 LEDs in a year but it will eventually lose more ). just change the whole lot and be done with it already.......
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    There you go.. All 3 reels done and its looking VERY good..

    Whilst this has been covered in length a long time ago, I am sure that there is a completely new 'generation' of owners who will enounter this problem...

    So, if you have any questions about this, please do not hestiate to ask.

    All the best

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    Default Re: Beast Sapp: Reel LEDs faulty?

    Good job! It looks like they're very close matches to the one we used, perhaps a little brighter and bluer, but it's hard to tell from a photograph. The viewing angle is much the same.
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    nice job , anything is better than continually replacing faulty boards with more faulty boards ..... as long as all three reels have the same leds they should be hard to tell from the original leds .......and you shouldn't need to replace these again for the life of the machine .....by the way newbies only need do a search to find reems of data on this subject on this site .....but new information is always appreciated
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    Default Re: Beast Sapp: Reel LEDs faulty?

    The only ill effect I have noticed is that before, when the Red 7s flashed by, the LEDs behind appeared to be a deep red colour.

    Now they are much lighter, but this is only noticable when they are spinning.

    I think that this is due to the fact that its now a 'pure' white LED, where as before it the light contained Red, Green and Blue light frequencies. So when the red of the 7 flashed by, it blocked the red colour and allowed the Green and Blue to pass through.

    As you said in one of your earlier posts.. if you compare them side by side, then the difference is obvious, but if you replace them all, there is no way of telling the difference.

    Many thanks for all your help with this, its very much appreciated.

    I have now offered to do my suppliers broken boards for him.. I am not sure how many he had, but he implied that they have several machines which have broken LED boards.. I don't know what I am getting myself in for, as he may have 100s for all I know... But its something to do I guess, and perhaps I might end up with something for my trouble

    All the best

    Jon

    Jeff

    I realise that people can do a search, but I have been documenting this in order to put a 'UK' slant on it.. There are an increasing number of owners in the UK and I wanted the info that I have posted (specifically about the UK supplier of the LEDs) to be available for anyone who wanted it.

    Cheers

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    Default Re: Beast Sapp: Reel LEDs faulty?

    I think there should be a new post that details the problem and the fix.
    With links and part numbers for US and UK people.
    Maybe it should be a sticky ?

    The current search on this subject brings up the information needed but its hard to find among the long posts and multiple page long threads.

    (Ask Mark if you don't believe me.)

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    Default Re: Beast Sapp: Reel LEDs faulty?

    Someone write a good faq and submit it to Tulsa.

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    Default Re: Beast Sapp: Reel LEDs faulty?

    Quote Originally Posted by chaz70
    I think there should be a new post that details the problem and the fix.
    With links and part numbers for US and UK people.
    Maybe it should be a sticky ?

    The current search on this subject brings up the information needed but its hard to find among the long posts and multiple page long threads.
    Great Idea!
    I have a Sindbad and a Fireworks that I know that I'll have to do this fix on in the future. The Elco Machines all seem to be comming up with the LED burn out/ cracked lense.
    The Reel removal post by azlew Would be a good first post with the some of the posts in these threads:for fixing your LEDs . http://www.pachitalk.com/forums/show...highlight=leds If you need any help PM me.http://www.pachitalk.com/forums/show...highlight=leds
    http://www.pachitalk.com/forums/show...highlight=leds
    http://www.pachitalk.com/forums/show...highlight=leds
    I havn't gone through all of them but I think that when I need to change the LEDs that I will go with th 2000 to 3000 white LEDs with the wide angle view and replace all 18 of them on the machine.
    Now I need to look up which posts will tell how to bend the 4 pin to go into the 6 pin holes and what resisters to remove from the board.
    I know that Websherpa and jweaver have done a lot of work on finding the right fix for the LEDs and a lot of help from others but a shorter thread with the fix outlined and pictured would help when some of us try to do this fix.

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    Default Re: Beast Sapp: Reel LEDs faulty?

    Just to summarise:

    1. Remove R2, 4 and 6.. You can just cut the legs, but if you are like me and obsessive, you can de-solder/remove the 'stumps' too.

    2. Bending the pins isn't anything which needs documenting.. Once you see the new LEDs and the holes they go in, its obvious what you have to do.. You simply squeeze the legs towards each other by approx 1mm, fit them in the hole and PUSH until the legs go in as far as they can.


    When I did mine, I didn't remove all 3 reels at the same time (as described in the post), I simply removed the 2 screws for each reel (you need a stubby screwdriver for the top one) and did them one at a time.


    Thats all I can think of for now, but if someone is upto the job of writing an FAQ, I can add the bits relevant to the UK market!

    All the best

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